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    I'll Huff and Puff and Blow Your Wheat Down.

    http://cwb.ca/public/en/newsroom/speeches/pdf/garason_030107.pdf

    Arason:

    It has been suggested that, as of late January, an Ontario farmer selling hard red spring wheat with 13.5 per cent protein would receive $5.50 per bushel, whereas a grower on the Prairies selling No. 1 CWRS would receive about $4.40 per bushel as a final pool return—approximately $1.10 less. The implication is that this suggests poor performance by the CWB. That implication is incorrect because of several errors in the comparison.

    To begin with, a spot price (the Ontario price) is being compared to a pool value (the CWB Pool Return Outlook). This is a misleading comparison. A pool value is by definition an average of prices achieved over an entire crop year. In a rising market such as we have experienced so far this crop year, a spot price is always higher than a pooled price. Is the CWB selling wheat at those “high” Ontario values and returning those dollars to farmers? Yes. In fact, CWB values are even higher.
    The source of the spot price of $5.50 per bushel is not indicated but it is undoubtedly a price at or near an Ontario mill. An appropriate comparison would be, therefore, the current price of let’s say Saskatchewan wheat landed at an Ontario mill. On February 5, the CWB offered eastern mills No.1 CWRS with 13.5 per cent protein for $230.47 per tonne at Thunder Bay. Add to this freight charges of $25 from Thunder Bay to the mill, and the landed price equals $255.47 per tonne or $6.95 per bushel.

    The comparison, then, is between $5.50 per bushel of hard red spring wheat to the Ontario farmer and $6.95 per bushel of hard red spring wheat to the Saskatchewan farmer. The truth, therefore, is the exact opposite of what has been contended: CWB prices are actually higher.

    This $6.95 per bushel would be added to the pooled payments western farmers receive for wheat sold throughout the 2006-07 crop year. However, if the farmer decided to price his wheat through one of the CWB’s Producer Payment Options, he or she could have locked in prices right around the $240 per tonne mark – backed off to a Saskatchewan location, this would have translated into returns of approximately $5.20 per bushel. To make the comparison even more valid, the price available to the Ontario farmer would also have to be backed off for freight, cleaning and elevation charges. Therefore, the posted price of $5.50 per bushel might, in fact, translate into a farmgate price very similar to what spot prices available through the CWB are, and this, in spite of the huge freight disadvantage that Prairie farmers face, relative to their Ontario counterparts when servicing eastern markets.

    Making inaccurate statements about sales values and our relationship with specific customers is damaging to our business and, as a consequence, damaging to western Canadian farmers. This is about business – it is not a political debate. And I believe very strongly – as the CWB’s entire board of directors believes very strongly – that any criticism of the CWB should be based on fact, not on vague innuendo circulated by Canada’s competitors. The marketing of Prairie wheat, durum and barley is a business – and a very competitive one – and at the CWB, we believe that farmers’ financial interests should come first.

    It is my hope that, in the future, efforts will be made to verify information of this nature with the CWB prior to its use and dissemination. Whatever political controversy surrounds the CWB’s single desk mandate, it should not prevent the flow of accurate information between the CWB and the federal government.
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    And the final payment wasn't even close to $4.40.

    Today the difference is about $2,50 in Ontario and $3.00 in the U.S.
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    #2
    Vader, What benchmark are you using to gauge CWB sales performance.

    Are you still buying into the premium B.S.?

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      #3
      What a bunch of crap. This is a stock off the shelf reply from the board not designed to add creditability to the debate but a feeble attempt to place doubt in farmers minds. They are as guilty as anybody of picking and choosing numbers to support their case. Then they add the arrogance to imply that they are the only ones that really understand the situation( you dumb farmers couldn't possibly understand something like this). I am the king and you should check with me before going off and making such statements. The reality is that with more access to information these statements from the board have less and less creditability. Maybe they can explain when the average spot price over a whole year is consistantly above both the PRO and the Producer payment options. Maybe they can explain why the daily price contract is so much below what American producers receive. Maybe they could just come up with an explanation of what CWB basis is. Give me a break.

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        #4
        PPO = Protect Pooling Option

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          #5
          Unbelievable. Typical CWB logic. First using end prices instead of farm gate to come up with premiums. Only thing that matters is farm gate price. Second if the CWB was not in the way we would have our own mills on our door step to sell to. They will not build until they can contract with the farmer. Last the spot price at every moment has been higher then the pool price. I can make the decision to price when I want, not some failed farmer kaking the decisions for me. If they knew what they were doing they would be doing it, not working for the CWB. Finally I run a multi million dollar business. Most of us do. Its all about margins and locking in those margins is what keeps my farm going. Trying to decide what to grow next year especially on irrigation. Guaranteed supply. Should I grow canola or durum. CAn lock in $12.50 canola. What about durum? How can we run our farms this way. Just hope the CWB makes the right decisions. The poof is in the planted acres. CWB crops are in decline big time. CWB supporters its time to get up to speed in todays market. The CWB can not keep up.

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            #6
            Incognito,

            Arison knows better than this.

            The Eastern Canadian base grades don't come close to the CWRS 13.5 graded quality... or DNS 14 standards.

            Lets actually talk about apples to apples here... than we can get somewhere.

            It is breaking NAFTA to charge a higher price to processors in Ontario than the CWB makes generally avaliable elsewhere in North America.

            IF Ontario wheat is discounted... there is a good reason... QUALITY. And that is NOT the QUALITY of the Market providers... it is the GRAIN QUALITY.

            Who wrote this for him?

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              #7
              Let's see how many guesses do you need:

              QUOTE:

              "We think it's extremely clear - as clear as the written word in the act."

              UNQUOTE

              Deanna Allen, vice-president of the boards farmer relations and public affairs.

              UNQUOTE
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              When was the last benchmarking exercise and who paid for it?

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                #8
                Arason writes:

                “And I believe very strongly – as the CWB’s entire board of directors believes very strongly – that any criticism of the CWB should be based on fact, not on vague innuendo circulated by Canada’s competitors.”

                OK – how about this on 2 row malt barley for 06/07:

                2 Row final = $202.02
                Starting from July 1, 2006
                - the US 2 Row price (basis Portland) achieved an average price of $202 on Dec 29
                - the EU 2 Row price achieved an average price of $202 on Oct 27
                - the CWB selling price (the “Card” price) achieved an average price of $202 on July 28. <b>Before the crop year even began!!</b>

                Also – the PRO hit $200 in December 06. (So how much do you think they sold after that?)

                Also (using price data from July 1 2006 to July 31 2007):
                The average US price was about $20 over the CWB Final
                The average EU price was about $83 over the CWB Final
                The average Card price was about $49 over the CWB Final
                The Feed Barley Pool “B” Final return was about $8 over the CWB 2 Row Final Return
                The average of the Final Returns of the two Feed Barley Pools (A&B) was about $3 under the 2 Row Pool Return

                Now let’s remember a couple of comments made by the CWB and/or its supporters:
                1. Back in October, Paul Beingessner wrote about Western Canadian Wheat Grower vice-president Stephen Vandervalk and how he and others like him should be happy that the CWB was there to protect him from making marketing mistakes – like selling too early in this wild bull rally. Read it again for yourself:
                http://www.agri-ville.com/cgi-bin/forums/viewThread.cgi?1193242227
                2. Much further back – about a year ago, the CWB released a study out of the U of S that said that, on average, farmers get about $59 million more out of the barley crop because of the CWB than they would with an open market. The study says this extra money comes from the “premium” the CWB gets for malt barley over feed barley – or more precisely, the malt premium over the CWB feed barley price.

                Now go back to the price comparisons:
                It’s pretty clear to me that the CWB sold the 2Row crop FAR too early last year. Wonder what Beingessner would say about that…
                The CWB’s 2Row final is about the same as the feed finals (the average of the 2 feed pools). Tell me again - where’s the $59 million benefit?

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