Fishy fishy in a brook, Wheat Board caught 'em with a hook

[parsley]

Rumor has it Annhauser is biting on Board malting barley.

Sigh.

Marketing directly to a maltster was such a novel concept in Canada.

I am too set in my ways to think the Chavez way is better.

[cottonpicken]

I heard budweiser uses corn for their beer.

This would explain why it sucks so much.

[charliep]

No one commenting Parsley. Would appear the CWB has moved from the initial proposal of having the farmer CashPlus price based off 90 % (or some percentage) of a blend of international malt barley prices (similar to the DPC process for wheat) to a proposal where the DailyCash price will be a 90 % value for the actual price the selector will pay the CWB. The extra 10 % will to the paying CWB administration costs plus storage payments (still will exist) with the remainder paid out at the end of the year in the form of the dividend (perhaps a new word for final payment).

I encourage everyone to understand and follow what is being proposed in the CashPlus program for malt. Ask the CWB/selectors you deal with questions and demand answers. There is no guarantee of change and this program may be your only choice (if you grow malt barley).

I note the comment that selectors (domestic and export) are/will be offering this program. As chaffmeister said, they have no alternative in a market where brewers are booking malt now. The expression you snooze, you loose applies.

[parsley]

I think you mean lose, charliep.....lol, but perhaps the former is more appropriate. It's shatty, no matter which way you look at it.

My latest gossip-take, yesterday afternoon, is that the farmer gets $7 bucks. At delivery time, he receives the "pooling initial price". Don't know what that currently is. Say $3 bucks?


The rest of the cash, $4bucks in this example, depending upon the initial pooled price, would be paid to the farmer later. I was told within 14 days.

The payment to farmers will be made from the pooling accounts.

The maltsters are buying from the CWB for $8.50. But it also may be negotiated to $8.70. They want some 6 row in the ground, so they caved.

And then the comment was made that the $1.50 per bushel floating-difference should reflect a later final payment. Unless of course it's needed for, say, the CWB's favourite Liberal candidate's campaign. Meow.

All this can change with a spit and a hork, BY spits and horks.

Parsley

ISSUES:

Is there a delivery guarantee for the farmer? Malt doesn't exactly keep well for five years!

Take a run at the issues.It's your money.

[parsley]

Some may find it offensive watching the maltsters and the CWB's financial-copulations, pillowed by your cash, and all you can do is peep, but you'll just have to learn to sit back and enjoy it.

Parsley

[charliep]

I apologize for the freudian slip.

[parsley]

SO...........


...................if the farmer recieives $7 and the maltster pays the Board $8.50, does that mean Marketing costs are $1.50/bu? hmmmm


OR

the rumor goes, that the first maltster to jump ship and take off their choice-clothes, bought their malt at $6.50 from the CWB


SO

the $1.50 diff will go towards cutting the loss of the cheapy sale to the maltysnitch.

Is this speculative enuff for a Saturday night?

charliep, you like intrigue.

Parsley

[charliep]

Should just watch hockey.

Interesting. Will note an American company. Also control the supply chain after the CWB/the company in question have completed the deal right to the end consumer. From a tour of Labatt's in Edmonton, one of the most persnickity on quality/process. Not my favorite either, cottonpickin, but the brand name is litterly worth billions - they will do nothing to threaten it.

Noted the move by the company in question into China in other threads and the fact they are not building malt plants in Canada. And the reason would be?????

[parsley]

From a farmer's perspective, it is a prudent to endure a marketing-colonoscopy so that you have a clear view for the rumours circulating around your head:

1. No government guarantee on this transaction.

2.There is no obligation for delivery.

3. No obligation by the CWB to take possession.

4. No obligation for the maltster to take possession.

I should add, that I made an error. The price rumoured was $6.25, and not $6.50.


And finally, if you sign the CWB contract, you might want to stroke out a few things and pen in a few of your own requirements.

What a novel inspiration.

Parsley

[charliep]

MY UNDERSTANDING

1. No government guarantee on this transaction. YES

2.There is no obligation for delivery. FROM A FARMER STANDPOINT, THERE IS AN ACT OF GOD CLAUSE BUT MY UNDERSTANDING (HAVE TO READ THE FINE PRINT) IS GRADE/YIELD LOSS WILL HAVE TO BE VERIFIED BY THINGS LIKE CROP INSURANCE REPORTS, BIN INSPECTIONS, ETC. THE COMPANY WHO SIGNED THE CONTRACT HAS FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL SO AGAIN THE FARMER WILL HAVE TO PRESENT SAMPLES.

3. No obligation by the CWB to take possession.
PERHAPS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF BUSINESS THE CWB EXECUTES THEMSELVES (IE CHINA BUT EVEN THEN TENDERS AT PORT/DOES GET INVOLVED IN THE COUNTRY), THE CWB ISN'T INVOLVED WITH THE SELECTION OR DELIVERY OF MALT BARLEY. THIS DOESN'T CHANGE.

4. No obligation for the maltster to take possession. THERE ARE MORE TEETH IN THE NEW CONTRACT (AGAIN NEED TO READ THE FINE PRINT) TO ENSURE THE MALSTER TAKES DELIVERY WITHIN THE COMMITTED WINDOW IF THE MALT BARLEY MEANS THE MINIMUM SPECIFICATIONS WITHIN THE CONTRACT. THE CONTRACT (WITHOUT FINE PRINT) IS IN THE CWB PRESENTATION ON CASHPLUS AT THE SASKATOON CROP DAYS.

THE QUESTION IS REALLY WHO IS GOING TO ENFORCE THE CONTRACTS. THE CWB HAS NEVER TAKEN ON THIS ROLE IN THE PAST.

And finally, if you sign the CWB contract, you might want to stroke out a few things and pen in a few of your own requirements.

YOU WILL HAVE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE SELECTOR ON OTHER TERMS OUTSIDE THE CWB CONTRACT. THESE TERMS WILL LIKELY MEAN PRICE PREMIUMS. HAPPENS TODAY WITH THINGS LIKE THE SAPPORO CONTRACTS. THE FRUSTRATION FROM THE SELECTOR IS THE CWB PAYS FARMERS A DISCOUNTED PRICE, COLLECTS A PREMIUM PRICE FROM THE MALTSTER BASED ON WHERE THE SALE IS GOING AND THEN EXPECTS THE SELECTOR TO ANTE UP AGAIN WITH PREMIUMS FOR THE FARMER. LOTS OF PAPER/COMPLEXITY IN THIS SYSTEM.

[Maltster]

Parsley/Charliep,

Some interesting items that I haven't seen explained by the CWB yet:

1) Farmer can only contract with a selector/maltster who has completed negotiations with the CWB on a barley purchase contract meaning that the farmer does not get to pick the time that he will sell nor neccessarily who he will sell to. No Marketing Freedom there.
2) Since the selector decides the timing to book his barley from the CWB and presumibly he will be looking for a time when prices are at their lowest, has the CWB permanently discounted the market by not being an active marketer?

Is it just a coincindence that the CWB's indications of what a Cash Plus value to the farmer would be has risen from $5/bushel in early Janaury to $6.50 today while most in the industry have rejected the program as not being Transparent? Market prices would be well over $7 net to the grower and really haven't changed much in this same time period.

It would take a true cynic to think that this would have been an attempt by the CWB to capture a larger spread from the farmer in order to cover the losses in last year's contingency fund.

By the way Vader, a shill is defined in Wikipedia as "a critic who appears all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings".