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    SO if cash plus needs a value to work with here's one

    Growers hope grain rally continues
    World wheat stocks lowest since 1977, consumption up

    Dave Wilkins
    Capital Press

    Farmers can only hope this grain market has legs and their timing is good.

    A couple weeks ago, Idaho malt barley contracts were available for $17 per hundredweight.

    Prices have come down a couple bucks since, but it's still "pretty enticing if you haven't contracted yet or you haven't made up your mind if you're going to raise spring wheat or barley," said Evan Hayes, who dry-farms grain crops near Soda Springs, Idaho.

    Unfortunately, a big chunk of the Idaho malt barley acreage was probably contracted at lower prices, he said.

    Personally, Hayes wishes his timing had been better. He made the "horrible mistake" of contracting early at a price far below the recent peak, but still higher than he'd ever gotten before.

    "It was better than I'd ever had in my life, and I thought, 'gee that's great,'" Hayes said in a telephone interview last week.

    He was stunned when contract prices continued to rise this winter. But how is a grower to know?

    "You don't," Hayes said. "Never in history has anything like this happened before."

    Some ag economists see some parallels between today's lofty grain market and the Russian wheat deal in the early 1970s.

    Russia's decision in 1972 to buy 440 million bushels of wheat from the United States was a huge shot in the arm for U.S. agriculture.

    Wheat prices soared and so did food prices. The U.S. dollar weakened, global economic growth increased and oil prices spiked.

    The same thing is happening today, only it's U.S. ethanol production, not foreign grain purchases, that's fueling the boom, said Paul Patterson, a University of Idaho extension agricultural economist.

    Many farmers may be asking how long this grain boom will last. Some may fear it will come crashing down like the high tech-led stock market bubble of the late 1990s or, more recently, the collapse of the U.S. housing market, he said.

    But Patterson believes U.S. grain prices will remain high, on a historical basis, for another three or four years.

    World wheat stocks are the lowest since 1977, while consumption has risen 55 percent, he said.

    "We're barely keeping up with demand," he said last week at UI's Magic Valley cereal grains school in Burley.

    Soft white wheat prices in Portland have been as high recently as $13 to $14 per bushel.

    Unfortunately, grain production costs are also on the rise, industry officials said.

    Producers need to be flexible, Patterson said. They could consider leasing farmground rather than buying it or entering into share crop arrangements with landlords.

    "Know your cost of production," Patterson advised.

    #2
    What's the freight from Saskatchewan to Idaho?

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      #3
      Does the crow fly south?

      Oh yea!
      Some people pushed to KILL the crow.

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        #4
        About the same as Edenwold to Ottawa plus minus a few fundraisers.

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          #5
          Rail or truck? Truck from here around 34.-38.00 But lets say 45 bucks or a dollar a bushel to give us lots of room. I would have to get a for sure quote Monday from our trucker. At a dollar a bushel the return back to my at 16-17 a hundredweight would be around that 7 a bushel. Would likely look at producer cars if it was going to Idaho Falls.

          Right now the only number I've heard from anyone associated with the cash plus was Director Obergs 5 plus.
          I am waiting to see the initial Cash Plus offers which I am assuming will come out at grain world .

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            #6
            I hear that BARI-Canada is out there with CashPlus at $6.00-6.30/bu for six row and $6.20-6.80/bu for two row (the higher values near the U.S border) and that several grain handlers may be out next week. This seems to be a very good, innovative program which is sending clear price signals to farmers. It would seem that the WBGA press release this week, saying CashPlus is dead, was completely inacccurate (but that wouldn't be the first time!)

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              #7
              What's the freight from Idaho to Saskatchewan? Maybe the price should be higher in Saskatchewan.

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                #8
                hoppsing...are you a troll on here thats works for the cwb, or are you an acutal barley grower?

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                  #9
                  Prices in Montana have softened a bit because they're getting the acres they needed. From highs of 17.00/cwt I'm now hearing 14.00/cwt.

                  I heard A-B is out with a price around 6.80 - 7.00/bu in Alberta. Works back to FOB Vancouver at about 8.00/bu to 8.20/bu. Compare that to the EU prices at about 10.00/bu. I'm sure A-B paid the CWB much more than 8.20 basis Vancouver.

                  So 7.00 is a great price. but wouldn't 8.00 be better?

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                    #10
                    The back quarter last year (in S.E. Sask) was a beautiful Metcalfe crop in June but got zapped by the heat in July. It would be nice if we could put away the philosophical blinders in these discussions. Actually, I'm just online looking for a truck.

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                      #11
                      hoppsing
                      man where are you hearing these rumors? must be from with in the CWB, as once again they are keeping the price down!
                      Need to up date your sources Hoppsing, it might be BARI there, yet hear its A Bucsh here, and its $7 at the bin!! go figure eh!!!
                      When you blackmail some one or some industry sooner or later some one has to crack. Its called business, if a maltster has cracked so be it. They need barley, nothing but barley. Their customers need malt, and if they can't get it from a maltster here then they will go elsewhere, possibly never coming back to this maltster again. Its called wanting security of supply.
                      Hoppsing - how would you like to have a central marketing agency hold a shot gun to your business, and tell you if you don't do business with me - your done. Perhaps you should watch the God Father again, if you haven't.
                      This is what has happened, every one but the CWB said CashPlus is dead, yet if I had a choice of keeping my business alive or seeing it possibly close, firing employee's, seeing my community lose a substantial tax revenue base. Seeing value added dry up and never be renewed, well I'd cave and accept what I could as well. Call me week I guess ! or call it survival.
                      The CWB killed three new malt builds in western Canada already, that is fact. If they have broke the maltsers in to accepting CashPlus what is the win for us? what is the win for the maltster? what encouragement do they have to continue to grow and build here?
                      I say none at all.
                      Erik

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                        #12
                        Canada Malt has said they are building elsewhere and didn't even consider Canada because of the CWB.

                        I will share there is at least one other that has asked about Canada as a potential location - a new player not currently here. Their biggest concern, impediment, road block = CWB. If we don't get this worked out now, they will build - but not here.

                        Sorry, Erik, but that makes 4 malt plants that we'll never see and maybe 5.

                        I'll stick my neck out and say that if the CWB was gone out of barley, never to return, there would be even more.

                        Do you think Richard Gray ever thought about that when he said that the malt premium would disappear here and in the US if the CWB was gone?

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                          #13
                          If the CWB wasn't here more malting plants would be built so they could pay more than they do now? I see they are in business to make less, very interesting.

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                            #14
                            Agstar77, I do not believe the malty's would pay more or less than the prevailing higher open market price that is enjoyed in other countries versus the CWB 'lower pooled' price we recieve now.

                            I believe having more options to sell our malt barley would be very beneficial. Is there something wrong with having more choices to sell my malt? Could you please enlighten me Agstar77.

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                              #15
                              Nothing wrong with choice. However I find it interesting that the milling industry has flourished in Canada as compared to the U.S. under the CWB system but the maltsters can't.

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