CWB's little black book

[TOM4CWB]

Hopper,

AMEN.

You got this right... we paid... and Vader takes the credit.

What a professional way to do business.

[Burbert]

If the CWB could get, 1,000,000,000 per bushel for grain this year. The marketeers on this site, would say, it's not enough, they could get 2,000,000,000 for the same bushel of grain. Doing it all with the assistance of their home PC and telephone. LOL inf

[bucket]

burbert/vader

Vader's thread about farmers making millions and millions caught him double speaking again.

In that one he said perhaps the cwb cost the rich farmer 5 bucks a bushel for his durum. You can't just cost one farmer $5 a bushel - you cost all farmers.

Lets do the math. 5MMT = 183,700,000 bu of durum times $5 equals $918,500,000.00 !!!! yep thats pretty close to a billion and thats giving you mental giants the benefit that you only cost farmers $5 per bushel.

One question for vader - To become a liberal does your shoe size have to be bigger than your IQ?????

[TOM4CWB]

Burbert,

Perhaps it would be fair then... that you send ou family the $250,000 your sacred pool just cost us.

When can I expect the certified cheque?

[cottonpicken]

Another problem,the cwb getting these prices for producers creates a market distortion because now dumb money is competeing with smart money.

People who can call markets and maximize returns in marketing dont get a fair shake because their competive advantage has been taken away.

Now that money that the cwb put into the hands of people who dont have a clue is competeing for land,inputs and equipment and driving up prices.

If the cwb hits its pros this year it will have done an astounding job,but will have completely screwed over the top 1% of farm marketers.

[Fransisco]

You're on the right track cotton but I think it's a lot bigger than the just the top 1%. It's at least in the range of the top 25-50%.

None-the-less the point you make is valid, if even only one farmer thought he could do better he should be allowed to.

The needs of the stupid do not out weigh the needs of the smart.

[agstar77]

Are you inferring you are smart or stupid?

[Fransisco]

I'm willing to let the marketplace have final say on that one. How about you?

[Fransisco]

CP, maybe you missed this thread a few months ago. To sum it up........Basically it's like you said. The CWB is here to protect the losers who can't figure the system out. As Rod said in this post his job is to make sure you don't get to rich, so he can save Wilagro's from going broke!!!



Vader posted Jan 26, 2008 10:20
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talked to a farmer yesterday whose durum went 70 bushels per acre. On 2000 acres the gross revenue is $1,750,000.00.

I have heard similar stories around Kindersley and Swift Current of durum that went 50 bushels per acre. Now that is only $650,000 for a thousand acres but in that case the lentils and canola took him well into the millions as well.

I hear all the time here on angryville the time people like Saskfarmer bitching about the CWB because he can't get $17.00 for his durum and he blames this on the CWB.

In the case of a few rich farmers who can sit on all of their grain while the raging masses sell out early perhaps Saskfarmer has a legitimate argument. Perhaps we did cost him $5.00 per bushel on his durum. Perhaps it ran 50 bushels per acre and perhaps he had a thousand acres. And perhaps he could have earned an additional quarter of a million dollars.

I could argue that this is a zero sum game and that on the flip side there is another farmer that could have had the same 50 bushel crop on the same acreage base of 1000 acres and he could have sold his durum for $7.00 per bushel and for that farmer we made him an extra quarter million dollars. I could argue that for the health of the community it is better that the second farmer is able to pay down his debt and remain a constructive player in the industry and the community while poor Saskfarmer was prevented from expanding his farm by another section. The section that farmer number two may have sold after making his decision to sell his durum at 7.00.

But it is not a zero sum game. In fact we know that the CWB is asking $22.00 per bushel for durum today when the US elevator price reported here on Agri-vill is only $17.00. Now those elevators will sell your durum for $22.00 if they can get their hands on it.

So we see that for starters the CWB is keeping about $5.00 per bushel out of the handling companies pockets and putting it in farmers pockets right now.

Further we know that the average weighted selling price of durum in the US according to the North Dakota Wheat commission is about $10.00. This is further proof of the value of the CWB. The CWB has added to the bottom line of Canadian farmers on a 3 million tonne program an extra $73.00 per tonne or $220,000.00.

So yes the downside is that we kept Saskfarmer from buying another section of land where he might next year make enough extra money to buy out another suffering neighbor who had to sell a section to Saskfarmer.

The upside is that the Ag industry in Canada made an extra almost quarter of a BILLION DOLLARS.

And that is just on Durum.

Wait till you see my analysis on Spring Wheat and Malt Barley.

Rod Flaman
CWB Director - District 8
306-771-2823
rodflaman@imagewireless.ca

Oh and by the way. The CWB Rocks.

[Fransisco]

By the way Rod where is that analysis on Wheat and Barley?? Idiot!!


I hope you and Agstar have rented a bunch of acres to compensate for when you lose your director salaries!! Sorry about that Rod, I guess you wouldn't have to worry about it.....That's why your staying with the Liberals, so you can just steal the difference!!!!!!


Agsatar, you ask who is smart or stupid??

This coming from a guy who lives in his machine shed!! Enough said!!

[TOM4CWB]

Agrivillers...

The very fact that we are now down to calling each other names... says it all.

Where is the respect for each other...?

Why should anyone have to justify... to another grower... why they should or should not sell grain on a particular day?

Is the CWB 'God'... can it save even one grain grower from a 'stupid' marketing move?

And when the CWB has a bad day... how many people are forced to pay?

Question... if the 'black book' proves the CWB does so well... and maximises returns.... WHY are we not being allowed to access daily cash prices... on a scheduled base... like Canola... all year long?

Would anyone even talk about US prices... or would export licenses even matter at all...if the CWB did what Vader claims they have DONE?

The answers are clear... to these questions.

The CWB has a fatal flaw in its' marketing system...

Or we would not have sold out DPC's in 1.5 hours in the middle of June ...

before we even knew if we even had any crop at all...

We were forced to take a basis on FPC of minus $13/t instead of plus $50/t average that the market was offering...

Had the force majeure taken away in the middle of January 4 months premature... before a basis was available... and we missed $2/bu because of this...

There is nothing worse than trying to dance with someone who is spitting in your face... and stomping on your toes...

[cottonpicken]

I have said this before,and also others have.

Emotion is hard to convey on a chat board.Things should not be taken too seriously and people should never be scared off from posting.

I call friends,and they call me, every name in the book when were face to face and for some reason everybody laughs,but when it comes to a chat board people get seriously offended.

For what its worth.

[cottonpicken]

I think anything over 25% of farmers would be an impossible arguement.

[cottonpicken]

Actually the Idiot thing was an atempt to mock Debra from Everybody Loves Raymond, when she scolds Ray! LOL.

Neverless I'm still pissed at the situation.

[cottonpicken]

Snappy whats open tonight/tommorrow?
Everything?