My take on what the real problem people have with the CWB

[AdamSmith]

On SDA today by Kate

Other than the reference to WW2 this says it all Agstar (come to think of it the reference to WW2 does work when talking about the CWB)

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When a comment serves as little more than preface to a featured quote, it shouldn't require a short history of WW2 history or personal disclaimer to prevent "confusion" in the mind of the reader. Readers that easily confused should take on gentler topics. (See my first point).

There's exists a terminology for this phenomenon of attempting to communicate in so complete a manner as to prevent all accidents of misinterpretation.

It's known as "writing for stupid people."

So, the conclusion is this (and my advice to bloggers in general): Set a minimum threshold such as "understands the definition of analogy" before deciding whether or not a critic is worthy of your response.

Now, as you were.

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Does this help Agstar?

[agstar77]

I'll go for door #1, all you have succeeded in doing is whining and bitching, in your own words,

[AdamSmith]

ook, I guess it didn't help!

Now here I go ignoring kate's advice and am about to "write for stupid people."

You state "First of all there are no free markets in the world, only degrees of control."

the two words I keyed on were "no" and "control" as in no free markets in the world and degrees of control. And that statements is about as loonytoons as it can get. I'm not going to argue with you on that point because it isn't a point of contention.

I did attempt to clarify the simple point that any other reasonable person wouldn't need clarifying but you seemed to need the definition of a free market clarified so I offered one and then you come back with some idiotic nonsense about just taking a price,

so instead of reclarifying what a free market is for your sake, I decided that it would be in vain anyway because you just can't seem to grasp simple concepts, you may even have trouble with simple tasks as well for all I know. So I posted Kates advice for dealing with similar situations.

Get it now???

But I digress, so here for the "stupid people" is a Wikipedia definition;

A free market is a market in which prices of goods and services are arranged completely by the mutual consent of sellers and buyers. By definition, in a free market environment buyers and sellers do not coerce or mislead each other nor are they coerced by a third party.[1]

Pretty close to what I said.

Even Ian McCreary of the CWB seems to understands the simple concepts from what I read today about the cwb's news conference regarding the RR's

here's what McCreary said;

CWB elected director Ian McCreary called the study results "shocking".

He said the study shows the railways earn far above what they would in a competitive rail market.

You need to tell him there are no such thing as free markets.

Too bad he couldn't apply the same logic to the buying and selling of wheat. Oh well hypocricy is a pretty dominate feature around the cwb board table.


As far as "elected dictators"

that was a play on words, knobhead!

[just_wondering]

Adam while I agree almost completely with your arguments it's the degree in which you discount on farm economics that I disagree with.
Laurence Nicholson of Seven Persons,
Alberta, from Real Voice for Choice was talking, almost crying at the save my cwb rally about how his son would not let him spend farm money on the campaign any more and that they needed to find money elsewhere now that the Sask. govt was out.
If these die hards cannot even convince their own kids , other independent farmers are on side

I'll agree on the cwb elections being a farce with <30% voter turnout, but if you have a better idea that's likely to happen in the next 9 months I'm listening.

[agstar77]

Back to name calling are we. Well the problem with the so-called free market negotiation, is that is rarely between equals. W e are usually dealing with the Viterras and Cargills. Sort of david and goliath. without some leverage it's pretty much a one sided negotiation. But you are probably so important, at least in your own mind, that they quiver and shake when you phone. It's not that I don't believe in a transparent and free market, it's just that I think it is a little naive to believe in one under current circumstances. There are very few of us that can call the market like cotten, and perhaps we should try harder, but under the current markets, I doubt we can negotiate a better deal.

[silverback]

"... I doubt we can negotiate a better deal."

So why even try hey AS?

Just too hard is it? Not worth the effort? Personal choice and responsibility just not an option? Maybe you wouldn't be able to blame someone else for your failures or mistakes?

The last time I checked this was 2008 and it might just be time to grow up and start thinking for yourself instead of hoping the all-knowing gov't will do it for you.

[agstar77]

Actually it is you that are blaming someone or something for your failure.

[cottonpicken]

And then you bury any brillance by bringing up sda and that dike kate.

One of the largest festering pots of racism on the internet.

[FarmRanger]

"Well the problem with the so-called free market negotiation, is that is rarely between equals"

The old large corporations are my enemy argument.
If that's true, why do I make any money with canola?
Better yet, why am I pushing my canola rotation so hard to the exclusion of board grains? Reality versus fantasy.

[FarmRanger]

Cotton, does your comment make agriville a festering pot of sexism?