My take on what the real problem people have with the CWB

[parsley]

So, chaff,
I don't feel like a battle today, as I am quite buoyed after having a one on one visit with the PM yesterday, so I don't doubt for a minute you won't get the last word.

My take on it is this.....The North Koreans can see there are more dollars in the West. More wealth available. More wealth created.

Economics is not the issue Koreans chase or show interest in. But you want to send them an economics argument, anyway.

I consider they have embraced ideology.

Thus, I approached it this way... if a person can show them where their ideology is flawed, point to it and say...here is where it's broken, they would have more of an inclination to say, "Well, I don't like force either", as opposed to saying, "You are greedy, and money isn't everything".


I cannot argue "more money" if they don't care to increase their standard of living, any more than I can tell a woman to remove her veil (not there for the reason to warm her head )if she wants to cool down her hot head a little. lol


And Mc,

I am a such a problem, I fully admit it.

Your topic is "My take on what the real problem people have with the CWB" . I realize it was.

And although I've been long-winded, and quite ineffective at times in this thread, you will have to admit,I've been particularly tenacious,coming to a conclusive comment on your thread topic:

" The real problem is CWB force."

It says it all.

Parsley

PS.
Mc...It was cotton who veered off the topic, not me, but I admit I chased his comment.

[Fransisco]

After giving this some thought I think what we are talking about here is not a chicken and egg question.

It is one of <b>cause</b> and <b>effect.</b>

Ideology or principle is the cause, economics is the effect.

A proper or sound ideology leads to a proper and sound effect. The status quo CWB ideology is not a sound one and as such does not lead to a sound economic outcome.

Because one leads to another it is important not to lose sight of either in this debate.

[parsley]

Interesting point.
Are cause and effect equal though?

Take the case of the Japanese slaughtering Chinese.

Millions of them.

Cause> Effect
Ideology>Slaughter
Was it the ideology you would want to change, or would you simply want to change the effect...the killing part? Substitute it with cutting out tongues, for example? How about ONLY expropriating their property?

The choices one makes inevitably causes an effect. Economics is an effect, is it not?

The good/badchoices you make causes how much money you make.

Is the converse true though?

Does the amount of money you make cause you to make good/bad choices?

That begs the question: What kind of choices do poor people make? Do poor people inevitably make bad or good choices?

Hmmmmmm

[cottonpicken]

Do the question marks at the end of your sentences allow you to get out of what your trying to say?

What the hell are you trying to say?

Or is it so magically profound,nun of us simplitons could ever understand.

Bet a person like you can continually comprimise her own views as the party sees fit.

"but i spoke to him,he looked at me,i can make a difference"

winkopedia the long gun registory.

roll over orwell.

[FarmRanger]

Parsley, good post. Some will defend an ideology even after it has been proven to fall short of any claimed benefits. Whether its out of pride and not wanting to admit they’re wrong, or just plain stubbornness and arrogance, bad ideologies will linger with some folks.
The best defence is to keep an open mind , and check out factual claims someone makes for ourselves, and don’t assume that someone we admire is always right. That’s how otherwise good people can make poor decisions (and stupid statements), by accepting incorrect information as fact. There are times when a lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth gets its shoes on.

In the same way, when someone posts inflammatory statements about someone else’s character (kate at SDA) based on the claims of what has to be a 3rd party, and doesn’t actually bother to check it out the validity of the inflammatory claims, they shouldn’t be surprised when they are corrected.

….Or maybe some people just need a breathalyser lock on their computer keyboard.
;-)

[parsley]

Too much wading for you cott, it's not your festering racism pot niche.

Skip to another thread.

[parsley]

"If it takes force to impose your ideas on your fellow man, there is something wrong with your ideas.

If you are willing to use force to impose your ideas on your fellow man, there is something wrong with you." - Mark Fournier