Truckers know your classes

[wmoebis]

I was just reading on the CGC web where KVD being gone Aug 1st, it will be the producers responsibility to ensure that your trucker can identify the class of wheat at time of delivery.
I wonder how many truckers know and can identify the wheat classes?

In the same article they say that the classes can look like each other. How do they expect then, that the truckers are to be able to identify? Do the truckers want this responsibility?

Does anyone know what the penalty is if missinfo on declaration or if wrong grain is shipped or blended?

Are we going to be able to get all testing of seed done for purity before seeding time. Or is everyone sure their bin run seed is pure and are willing to sign for it not knowing what will happen if unpure or to what extent.

[gregpet]

Hmmm, kind of reminds me of dealing with the CWB, never know what you are going to get in the end!

[just_wondering]

What's the situation now if an unregistered variety is found weeks later in a saved sample?
Where does the liability currenntly lie?
wmoebis
Are you doing due diligence and asking hard questions of the worst case scenarios, or are you just piling on bogey men?

[wmoebis]

No bogey men at my place.

Just wondering if I buy bin run seed from my neighbour should I be having him sign an affidavit of purity for class? Is he liable till I take possession and once I sell, is the grain company liable once they take possession? Where is the rules?

What are the consequenses if it is found to be impure later on. There is no remarks on the cgc web regarding this.

[bucket]

This is where the conservatives dropped the ball.

If you are going to get rid of the cwb you have to maintain the QA&C part of the canadian grain equation and reputation otherwise we will end up with no premium based marketing strategy. The strategy with the CGC should have been left on the timeline it was taking to allow industry and the CGC to develop a system more in line with the needs of the farmers, customers and industry.

The cwb is not responsible for the Quality - the CGC is. The cwb could lose its monopoly and the grain co's could take over like Mayo is suggesting but you have to have an independant QAC which is where the CGC fits in.

I can see by the previous replies the quality control is being left in the wrong hands - not that truckers are not bright enough to grade grain - they are not paid to do that and its not their responsiblity.

[just_wondering]

wmoebis
If you are buying bin run seed from a neighbour you are not buying a pedigree they would be selling common seed. If you are selling it as something else it is your liability.
If you want a pedigree pay for certified or better and keep samples seed growers are human as well.

KVD was going no where in 06 CGC recommended changes to KVD effective 08 and the industry stalled until the conservatives made it a priority.
western Canada will find ways to adapt as the west is the last refuge of KVD.
If your willing to admit that the CWB is more about quality product than the single desk then we can talk.
Also realize that KVD is not without it's hang ups, as far as introducing new qualities for the customer or agronomic traits for the growers.

[wmoebis]

I am not against the removel of KVD.

I just think we should know the rules and cosequences.

On the CGC web it says " On Augest 1st KVD will no longer be a requirement for registration or be used as a tool for class identification" Then the chief says it is the producers responsiblity to ensure sure the trucker is able to identify the class at time of delivery.

[TOM4CWB]

Just wondering et el;

Right now it is against the law to claim you have a certain variety... unless it is certified of higher pedigreed seed.

A commercial lot of milling wheat... should be tested for intrinsic milling quality... like the rest of the world (except for AU) does... to determine the value of the produce.

US grainco's could care less which variety you sell them... as long as it has good milling quality... and is red spring wheat... for that class of wheat that they pay for.

In the US..Falling # is the primary determinate... px... a check for ash... SGS can assure milling quality with out ever having to know what variety the wheat is!

[Ron]

Jesus Christ what would our grain be worth without the CWB premium? What is USA wheat worth? Why chase a premium that doesn't exist?

[craig]

A few quick comments. It is the responsibility of the trucker to be able to declare the class of wheat at delivery. The onus is on the producer to make sure the trucker loads from the correct bin and knows the class of wheat it is. Trucking companies if they feel at risk may want producers to sign something at pickup. For the next few years we will still be able to identify wheat by class because it will be likely at least 2010 before non KVD varieties start entering the system. In terms of seed purity this will also hopefully sort itself out. There is a concern with GP class wheats that the level of contamination might be higher doing to being further from milling quality specs. There are regulatory penalties proposed in the new Canada Grain Act for misrepresentation of class. A clear message is. Abide by the rules and show some due diligence and things will be similar to before. Try and cheat the system and be prepared to suffer the consequence.

[bluefargo]

Ron
I too have wondered where our premium is. For the last 20 years we have been giving our wheat away and yet are told we have to protect our premium on the best quality wheat in the world.
Seems to me that we are the only ones in the world who worry about this. Lets get on with the business of growing and selling wheat.

[parsley]

This week's Newco Commodities' Newsletter reminds about roadbans:


"Road bans are on in many areas of Southern Alberta and Southwestern Sask.

If you are on a secondary highway and you have road bans on as well, the combination of the two may mean that an empty truck is not even legal on that highway right now.

Please keep these things in mind when determining what time period you wish to market your grain."

[amun]

after todays markets we will keep the trucks in the shed

[mustardman]

Nothing like having an Ostrich Farmer Pull his head out of the sand --- And turning into THE AG MINISTER , heh boys?

"Either lead, follow or get out of the way" -Gerry Ritz

Gerry YOU SHOULD HAVE STAYED OUT OF THE WAY...