WE ARE THE LAUGHING STOCKS...AGSTAR77!

[parsley]

wilagro,

I'm interested in your answer:

Do you advocate forced pooling of all income generated from Designated Area farms?


Parsley

[TOM4CWB]

Wilagro,

I see an interesting ad on BNN... about the income/mutual funds under performing the individual manager 80% of the time... if the individual wants to take the time to manage carefully.

Pooling vs. Individual due diligence.

I am happy if you 'want' to pool Wilagro... and if that is your management style... be my guest.

How exactly am I the greedy person... when it is YOU Wilagro... that is taking my property without my express permission?

And Wilagro... it is fine with you... that Rod Flaman and Stewart Wells... are exempt from paying the $500/t to the pool accounts... by a simple vote of the CWB Directors to exempt themselves from the export buy-back? How does that work?

If I do not use your elevators, rail, grades, quality specs/varieties... or marketing system... how do I reduce your prices?

Earl Geddies said time after time... that the CWB could get more for your wheat Wilagro... if we produced less of it for them to market!

So why exactly can't we grow unregistered US varieties... and produce less CWB grain... and let you get more of a premium from CWB marketing's?

OR/AND;

If you really don't believe what the CWB claims anyway... why would you believe for a millisecond... that the CWB is actually extracting a premium in the first place? This has nothing to do with pooling... as buy-backs simply prevent the business from being done in any event... and you get no extra premium through the pool account... cause there is no way I could ever afford the $500/t or even $280/t on feed wheat... plus ALL THE EXTRA RISK of doing the business into the US...

The CWB was/is asking a prohibitive price... when we had an opportunity to sell for a premium good price into the US!

NOW that you understand... that you got nothing extra anyway... and all you did was prevent my farm and family from earning and extra risk/reward premium... does this change anything Wilagro? Agstar77?

AND folks... if I take a 100% EPO... and wait till the prices drop enough... so you pay me out of the CWB Pool... to ship South across the border... plus earn a premium from US marketing... how would this benefit you in any event? The CWB DOES NOT Get the grain... I must contract it to the CWB... then buy it back from the CWB on contract... so the CWB can not supply a customer if they had it presold in the first place!

This CWB buy-back system is totally absurd and messed up... and you know it Wilagro/Agstar77!

And that is simply because the CWB does not have a legislated monopoly/single desk... in the first place.

What the CWB are doing is pure misapplication of Part IV of the CWB Act! Otherwise they would not be able to exempt Organic/Feed/Seed/ and wheat grown outside the 'designated area' in the first place!

If the CWB is obeying NAFTA... there is no difference between the price inside and outside Canada... therefore no pecuniary benefit in the CWB handing me an export license.

If the price is lower inside the 'designated area' for wheat... what does that tell you Wilagro/Agstar77... other than the CWB does not extract a premium for OUR growers in the first place! iF THEY DID... we would not need export licenses!

[parsley]

agstar:

I'm also very interested in YOUR answer:

Do you advocate forced pooling of all income generated from Designated Area farms?

Parsley

[silverback]

Wilagro,

The real question is why would YOU want to have your 1 bin of barley (that you are still sitting on) pooled with the likes of Tom, Parsley, or Franny?????

If you don't like them, or accept their views on life, why would you want to force them to cooperate with you?

The only gain that I can see is that their 55 lb barley will bring your 42 lb barley up a little on the value scale putting more money in your pocket and less in theirs.

Who is the greedy one?

[parsley]

It's the principle.

If pooling is good for wheat and barley, do they think pooling is good for adding all DA alfalfa and sheep?

And if not, why not?

The principle is the same, is it not?

Shouln't wilago be keen to pool with camelina growers' profits. Plus all farmers in the Yukon.

Parsley

[bucket]

How about pooling the seed growers income?? Anyone want to discuss the fact I get deducted for wheat and barley research and then I pay through the nose for new seed.

And how about pooling the organic premiums back to conventional farmers?

And why, in their infinite wisdom, doesn't the cwb create a system where wilagro and burbert pay my input bills on a pooling account.

Now it is starting to sound a little idiotic to the proboarders. Its ok for them to want to income split but not expense split.they really are simple communists - but wait even Cuba is starting to change.

[parsley]

bucket,

You make a sound point.

If pooling is good for wheat and barley, why isn't it good for organic/seed wheat/barley?

Why whould the line be drawn if the principle is sound?


Parsley

[bucket]

What bothers me about pro boarders is they all say we should pool the income off our farms. Ask them if they would pool the cost of their fertilizer or fuel or chemical costs and the discussion ends pretty quickly.

Its obvious who they are looking out for. Then they tell me I should /do belong to "farmers for just me".

Lets think about this for a while and find out who really is looking out for themselves.

My neighbors know me as someone who finds a good price for off board crops to be on the phone to everyone asap so they can make their own decisions about where the prices are hot.

Ever find a cwber to do that??

Like I point out to pro cwbers - if you believe in income splitting to be an average farmer then you should be willing to average expenses. I am not an average farmer.

[Burbert]

In our area, neighbours cheques bounce when you sell them grain (Small Claims Court). Neighbours disappear after you've sold them grain, feed, whatever (Small Claims Court). Local business goes belly up (Small Claims Court). Neighbours refuse to pay, cause according to them the quality wasn't there (Small Claims Court).
Neighbour won't pay cause he hasn't sold his cows, yet, waiting for a better price (Small Claims Court). Pattern appears to be emerging in this area. Sell to the CWB, git a real cheque that doesn't bounce, novel idea, pool or not!

[bucket]

Burbert,

I am not being sarcastic but now I understand some of your reasoning on your posts. Its unfortunate you live in an area like that.

Maybe you ought to move near Lake Diefenbaker. Good golf, great fishing, good neighbors, and lots of land for sale.