Depape nails Korneychuk on barley premiums

[Fransisco]

And in this instance it is also a straw man argument.

The thread has to do with whether or not the board gets you barley premiums. John DePape clearly shows that they don't. He presented no argument here based on property rights yet that is what you choose to attack.

Why? Maybe because you realize that the board doesn't get you premiums it actually costs you money and you have no way to counter the argument.

So you try to change the subject to "It's the Law".

[FarmRanger]

cchurch said “…the CWB is now the most accountable and flexible grain industry organization in North America…”

Every publicly traded company in North America is required to have an external financial audit done to protect investors from fraud. Another very important part of accountability is a customers ability to take business to the competition. Since neither of these apply to the CWB, just how are they the most accountable grain industry organization in North America?

[cchurch]

DePape said it—It must be true.
Richard Gray is always wrong.

Wow.

Next time DePape wants to talk about economics, he should not leave out details like higher freight costs in the U.S.

Not only that, he needs to remember one thing, if the U.S. was our only malt market, we would have one hell of a lot more barley being sold as feed. And Gerry Ritz wants more barley in the ground, to drive the high prices down. If Ritz wants low prices; I can guarantee he is on the right track.

Another thing if the CWB was "under-cutting" why are the grain elevators in the U.S. paying so much for barley, wouldn't they just buy from the CWB if it were cheaper, as opposed to bidding up the price.

[Fransisco]

Finally you're on to the subject, now if you can get past theory and move on to reality we'd really be getting somewhere.

The fact is...

<blockquote>"Over the last eight years, the average malt premium over feed in Montana was $1.23 a bu., almost double the premium Gray suggests the CWB gets.

But there's more. The average malt premium in Canada is closer to 46 cents a bu., lower than what Gray gives the CWB credit for."</blockquote>

This is not hard stuff to look up and verify. There is a great data base here...

http://wbc.agr.mt.gov/Producers/pricing_current.html

[AdamSmith]

cchurch,

DePape said it—It must be true.

DePape backs up his analysis with real numbers that any farmer or any person for that matter can verify for themselves.

Richard Gray is always wrong.

It's not just that Gray is always wrong, it's that Gray has been tasked to offer evidence of something that doesn't exist. His eveidence comes about from developing a formula which not even phD's can understand and passes it off as proof.

cchurch why is it that in the mind of a cwb supporter an unrecognizable and unexplainable formula carries more weight than a simple price comparison?

and why can't you figure out, because of this basic observation, why most farmers think cwb supporters are really not that bright?

Would you need a phD's thesis before you go shopping for groceries?

Hmm, this can of soup costs $1.29 and this can of soup costs $.89, I'll buy the one for $1.29 because it is the cheapest! Wow am I smart!

[rbgordon]

Great posts, Parsley / AdamS / Francisco

Have been following this site for some time and I'm still waiting for a CWB supporter to present anything truly credible and convincing. It seems that they get satisfaction in knowing that the clever, internet using, trend following, seminar attending farmer just down the road gets no more for his wheat and barley than they do.

The arguments that these pro CWBers present gives folks in the farming occupation a bad name, kind of reminds me of the following joke which has been recycled many times but I'll tell it anyway.


Three men arrive at the Pearly Gates early one morning, they are warmly welcomed by St. Peter. He tells them that to fit them into proper grouping he needs to know their IQ's.

The first man states that his IQ is 131, "Very good" says St Peter "You must be a Doctor "Take that Cadillac and go through that gate"

The second man steps up and says his IQ is 126, "Exellent" says St Peter "I can tell you are a lawyer" Take that Lincoln and drive through the next gate"

The third man quietly mumbles that his IQ is 61. St Peter tells him, "Get back on that Tractor and head over there, and by the way, How were the crops?"

[d-45]

cchurch
Please read Depape's article in Apr. 10 Western Producer titled 'Malt plants a lost opportunity'.

It is unfortunate that eight CWB farmer directors are hindering the growth in value added industies in Western Canada.

[parsley]

I personally know of one malt company who refuses to build in Canada until the CWB licensing manipulation in the West is gone.
So, yes, the CWB is hurting farmers.

Parsley