Don't take your Beer tfor granted....

[rockhound]

Burbert:
Your I.Q. is showing again.

[charliep]

Burbert

You are growing malt barley this year? Are you a good supply chain partner - have a track record that you can grow malt barley 7 years out of 10 and have business reputation of meeting commitments? This is the type of individual maltsters are wanting to contract with.

I note the thread title. Don't take your beer for granted. As a consumer of your product, you are there as a part of the supply chain to satisfy my needs. If you can't work within the supply to support this result, then you should look for another career.

[parsley]

Games.

Players always say they are too old for these kind of games, and then they play the old "We are contracting with each other" kinda crap.

What I was getting at broker, is after all is said and done, no matter how many fancy jottings are made in the margins, the bottom line is this:

The Board sets the price, and the grain essentially passes through the Board, and there is NO FREE MARKET AT WORK IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. There isn't just a buyer and a seller. There is warble sucking at both, too.

And of course, the Board publically prides itself, propagandizing that farmers and maltsters are dealing with each other directly.

I am very impatient with that kind of propaganda being allowed to idle.


The CWB needs to be run over by their own marketing vehicle.

Truth can do the driving.

Parsley

[charliep]

Parsley

To your original questions, I note table 16 of the CWB annual statistical tables (see CWB website). Malt product product exports 600,000 10 years ago to about 832,000 tonnes in this past year. At the same time, the level of domestically process malt barley used by breweries in Canadian beer has declined from the 350,000 the CWB uses to something under 200,000 tonnes. More of the beer we drink has imported malt in it. Given our dependence on export markets, Canadian maltsters biggest fear should be shutting down a plant here and moving that processing capacity elsewhere to an offshore or US location.

Within Canada, I also have to note the move to imported specialty beers and micro breweries. These products use different types of malt barley and processes. Realizing the volumes will not be big, this should create the opportunity for more specialized identity preserved systems and perhaps (heavan forbid) smaller scale malting plants.

[parsley]

I was quoting from a quote from H. M. GAUGER's Malt MARKET REPORT :

Maybe my conversion from tons to tonnes are awash.Check them, charliep.


CUT AND PASTE QUOTE

"Canada expects to export 2,5 Mill. tons of barley vs. 1,2 Mill. tons in 2006/07. 1,20 – 1,25 Mil. tons will be malting barley, of which 700.000 tons will go to the U.S. and Mexico"

CUT AND PASTE UNQUOTE

Parsley

[charliep]

Granger forecasts are okay for malt barley exports (actual seed) and are consistent with my S&D.

My numbers are for domestic maltsters.

I don't fear for the export malt market. Malt barley is a commodity and as long as quality meets needs and price is competitive, the CWB or anyone else can do this business - not rocket science and hard to understand how the CWB achieves a premium in something that is blended/stuffed in a ship.

My fears are for maintaining current domestic malt processing capacity let alone expanding. I agree with brokers observations.

[charliep]

Thought I should put up barley exports to date link (doesn't include the malt product).

Page 13 - http://www.grainscanada.gc.ca/pubs/exportmonth/2008/exports08-02-e.pdf

Not a feed barley thread but will note Saudi Arabia has bought just under 1 MMT to the end of February. Pool A total payments about $269/tonne west coast.

Malt barley about 900,000 tonnes same period.

[parsley]

We need Canadian maltsters and brewers.We need to have good relationships with them.

Farmers need to work closely with them in partnerships.

We have the potential to really really grow and develop the beer drinking industry

Anticipation for 08 crop Malting barley prices across major producing countries in the world are noted at around USD400/tonne FOB.

Based on good Spring crop sowings, there is an anticipation of a good crop in the EU, but this is not expected to bring downward pressure on price.

Parsley

[Burbert]

Why do we need Canadian maltsters? Can't we go out to Costco's of the world and purchase malt, that we need for our brew. In Canada, we produce commodities and export them, so others can value add. Look at the oil industry, exporting crude as fast as we can, dig it up, send it on down the line. After all isn't that what NFTA is all about? Canadians very seldom make good stuff anyway. When was the last time you bought something Canadian, think about it now, really? Given the choice, I prefer imported brew, anyway. Canadian beer has at best, is barely drinkable, tastes like chemicals most of the time!!!!!!!!!!

[rockhound]

Burbert: You must be on the Bof D of the CWB because that is exactly what they are doing to the agriculture industry in Western Canada. They don`t add value and they give away our raw produce.
Burbert if your capable go water the vegetables.(IQ or-)