China to buy or lease farm land...

[wilagro]

Tell the Chinese to go to h**l...our preferred country for selling out everything to is the USA. WE don't need anything for ourselves...let's just sell everything and sit back and watch them run things. It was bad enough when our Albertan AG minister in years past, tried to sell out our hog industry to the Taiwanese.

We need some politicians with GUTS, and not the kind that Harper carries around either, to respond to these overtures, should they be made to Canada, and say NO...in no uncertain terms.

And Tom, that is not racist either...it is self-preservation.

[TOM4CWB]

Wilagro;

Spew all the racist retoric you like.. it is still what you deny it is.

Just like the CWB... Denial isn't just a river in Egypt... it is alive and well at the CWB!

AND the CWB claims to be 'commercial' and 'market transparent' and working for the best interests of my family and farm... with an attitudes like Wilagro, Vader, Jensend, and Agstar77... at its helm?

GOD help us all!

[parsley]

Fouty-two leaders from state farms in China visited our farm approx a decade ago.

They were interested at that time, in setting up "communities" in Canada. Working, learning how to farm in Canada.


I was not interested to be a participane for these reasons:


1. Philosophically, China had one big state farm mentality, similar to the CWB mentality, where the individual has no value. Canada, on the other hand, is based upon and built upon the free enterprise system.

2. Culturally, they knew little of our instiutions that Canada depends upon to be "Canadian". All of the Chinese were full-bloom communists, and most atheists, some of them were Muslim. They ate differently, spoke a different language,did not dance the same. Naturally, we did have some commonality...dress, social niceties, gift exchanges, and a will to converse, and learn from each other.

Canada/Canadians must firstly, know in their own mind, who they are identify what they like, so they better understand who they do not want to become.

If Canadians like a free enterprise system, as is now in Canada, then we must insist upon those coming to Canada that THEY must abide by our system and rules and NOT the other way around.


I was not prepared to assit the establishemnt of a small "Can-China" within the confines of the West, any more than I would be prepared to try to establish a "mini-Canada " within the confines of China's borders.

Parsley

[jensend]

nice try yourself tom. what good does it do to have the chinese or any other foreign govt. taking control of canadian farmland? do you want to compete for land, fertilizer, machinery purchases with the treasury of any foreign govt? probably not healthy for a viable farming business atmosphere. why would you assume the cwb would deter them from investing in canada when they could grow other crops or raise livestock and export them directly? perhaps canada isn't such a good investment environment as you would like to believe. you tried to use this article to raise the issue once again of your cwb hatred. you're a silly little man. show me any direct evidence of my racism just because i say i don't want foreign investment in farmland and especially with foreign govt. ownership being the result. as ususal you've got nothing except empty accusations and silly references to god.

[TOM4CWB]

Parsley and Jensend;

Did you actually read the article?

"Chinese enterprises would lease or even buy farmland"

Parsley... the Chinese have learned much in the past decade... they are some of the smartest and best disciplined workers on the planet!

I think outside the 'box'... and am not running out to sell our farm land tomorrow! These folks in China are miles ahead of us in many ways... in Ag Production... Hail suppression... Rain stimulation...

Why not learn from them... better produce food for a hungry world... what makes me an evil person for suggesting this?

[furrowtickler]

I feel that Western Canadian dirt must stay in western Canadian hands. Even in our little area of the west, out of province "big" money is buying land all over. These are mostly big money Alberta "non farmers" who have Zero interest in loacal community. This concept is going to backfire on them some day. There are huge reasons for cheap land in Sask, horrible crop ins.,highest freight rates, high risk weather environment, on and on. By pushing up land values here in Sask ther will be absolutly no buffer zone left and outside investment will be crying within a few years when reality kicks and land values soften again and the can no longer find despots who will pay the high rents needed for their rate of return. JMO

[parsley]

Tom, the Chinese are fabulous workers. They are smart.

That being said, they adopted a political system that certainly did NOT make their country a favourable destination in the world that people wanted to immigrate to! Nobody beat China's door down trying to get in, but I will say, the Chinese themselves were/are trying to get out.

Strong remnants of communism cling...in their policy, in their customs, behaviour, daily lives.

Some will say it's desirable, the same as they claim is Cuba's system, but it is a system most do not want to embrace. That kind of thinking lingers for generations.

Cuba is one of the countries getting food aid from Canada this year.

The most important mark of suceess of a country is its' ability to feed its' people.

Both China and Cuba have failed miserably.

I doubt if few Western Canadians are prepared to wake up to CBC mandarin announcers on Sunday mornings, either.

Tom, Legislation preventing farmers from selling to ANY international buyer they choose to sell to, merely discourages the idea that freedom to sell is one of the most valuable concepts we can live by.

Do farmers make a sale based soley upon financial benefit?

No.

Many sell for other considerations.


Freedom of choice.

It's a valuable asset to the society we know and enjoy.

Parsley

[TOM4CWB]

Parsley,

How Ironic...

We had this discussion around the Lunch Room table (7 of us from 12-49yrs including a Licensed Mechanic, Registered Nurse, and 3rd year College student)... without exception we thought you folks are acting like hypocrites...

I was reminded by them...that for us as 'designated area' grain growers... Canada is as Communist as is China or Cuba!

I was told (by the red neck) we need our own 'civil war'... to straighten out our own mess here at home... before we start preaching to China!

Federal Income Tax that is unconstitutional;

Native Canadians with breached treaties;

The CWB;

Anyone know how many Chinese are in the pillars of the CN (Yellowhead) bridge that goes across the North Sask. River at East Edmonton?

My Grandfather watched as a child...One chinese a day... went into the continuous pour of concrete Pillars...they wouldn't stop to fish them out... would have lowered productivity too much... month after month... year after year... died for Canada...as they were the folks who broke their backs to built the railroads across Canada!

ALL in the name of "Peace order and 'Good' Government"!

Astounding what a Liberal Judge can classify under this section of the Constitution!

WE must continue doing what breaks the ethical, moral, and civil HIGH standards that built this country... so we can continue to lower and lower standards..doing what we have done... in the name of 'Civilisation'!

I know... don't confuse the issue with the truth!

[jensend]

one chinese a day for years? care to document that? what drivel.

[TOM4CWB]

Jensend;

Check out:

http://archives.cbc.ca/society/immigration/topics/1433/

In wikipedia.org:

Immigration for the railway
Chinese railway workers made the main labour force to the building of the Canadian Pacific Railway in British Columbia. When British Columbia agreed to join Confederation in 1871, one of the conditions was that the Dominion government build a railway linking B.C. with eastern Canada within 10 years. Canada's first Prime Minister, Sir John A. Macdonald, wanted to cut costs by employing Chinese to build the railway, and summarized the situation this way to Parliament in 1882: "It is simply a question of alternatives: either you must have this labour or you can't have the railway."[3].

In 1880, Andrew Onderdonk, an American who was the Canadian Pacific Railway construction contractor in British Columbia, originally enlisted Chinese labourers from California. When most of these deserted the railway workings for the goldfields, signed several agreements with Chinese gangs in China's Guangdong province and their representatives in Victoria. Through those contracts more than 5000 labourers were sent from China by ship. Onderdonk also recruited over 7000 Chinese railway workers from California. These two groups of workers were the main force for the building of the railway. Some of them fell ill during construction or died while planting explosives or in other construction accidents. By the end of 1881, the first group of Chinese labourers, which was previously numbered at 5000, had less than 1500 remaining as a large number had deserted for the goldfields away from the rail line Onderdonk needed more workers, so he directly contracted Chinese businessmen in Victoria, California and China to send many more workers to Canada.

Onderdonk engaged these Chinese labour contractors who paid Chinese workers only $1 a day while white, black and native workers were paid three times that amount. Chinese railway workers were engaged for 500 kilometres of the Canadian Pacific Railway considered by some to be the most dangerous section of the railway, notably the area that goes through the Fraser Canyon. As with railway workers on other parts of the line in the Prairies and northern Ontario, most of the Chinese workers lived in tents. These canvas tents were often unsafe, and did not provide adequate protection against falling rocks or severe weather in areas of steep terrain. Such tents were typical of working-class accommodations on the frontier for all immigrant workers although (non-Chinese) foremen, shift bosses and trained railwaymen recruited from the UK were housed in sleeping cars and railway-built houses in Yale and the other railway towns. Chinese railway workers also established transient Chinatowns along the rail line, with housing at the largest comprised of log-houses half dug into the ground, which was a common housing style for natives as well as other frontier settlers (because of the insulating effect of the ground in an area of extreme temperatures).


[edit] Chinese in Canada after the completion of the CPR
After the Canadian Pacific Railway was completed, many Chinese were left with no work. The government of Canada passed The Chinese Immigration Act, 1885 levying a "Head Tax" of $50 on any Chinese coming to Canada. After the 1885 legislation failed to deter Chinese immigration to Canada, the government of Canada passed The Chinese Immigration Act, 1900 to increase the tax to $100, and The Chinese Immigration Act, 1904 further increased the landing fees to $500, equivalent to $8000 in 2003.[4] - as compared to the Right of Landing Fee, or Right of Permanent Residence Fee, of merely $975 per person paid by new immigrants in 1995-2005, and further reduced to $490 in 2006.[5]

The Chinese Immigration Act, 1923, better known as the Chinese Exclusion Act, replaced prohibitive fees with an outright ban on Chinese immigration to Canada with the exceptions of merchants, diplomats, students, and "special circumstances" cases. The Chinese that entered Canada before 1923 had to register with the local authorities and could leave Canada only for two years or less. Since the Exclusion Act went into effect on July 1, 1923, Chinese at the time referred to Dominion Day as "Humiliation Day" and refused to celebrate Dominion Day until after the act was repealed in 1947..[citation needed]"

I am sure... Jensend... you can find many and various accounts of the abuse against the Chinese in Canada.

You do have a GOOGLE... 'GO' button... don't you?

[jensend]

you said one a day on that one bridge. tom you started this thread to try and smack the cwb again and it was a lame effort that fell apart. i've had my fun with this now i'm done.

[cottonpicken]

Anyone read Sun Tzu?