nice try yourself tom. what good does it do to have the chinese or any other foreign govt. taking control of canadian farmland? do you want to compete for land, fertilizer, machinery purchases with the treasury of any foreign govt? probably not healthy for a viable farming business atmosphere. why would you assume the cwb would deter them from investing in canada when they could grow other crops or raise livestock and export them directly? perhaps canada isn't such a good investment environment as you would like to believe. you tried to use this article to raise the issue once again of your cwb hatred. you're a silly little man. show me any direct evidence of my racism just because i say i don't want foreign investment in farmland and especially with foreign govt. ownership being the result. as ususal you've got nothing except empty accusations and silly references to god.
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Parsley and Jensend;
Did you actually read the article?
"Chinese enterprises would lease or even buy farmland"
Parsley... the Chinese have learned much in the past decade... they are some of the smartest and best disciplined workers on the planet!
I think outside the 'box'... and am not running out to sell our farm land tomorrow! These folks in China are miles ahead of us in many ways... in Ag Production... Hail suppression... Rain stimulation...
Why not learn from them... better produce food for a hungry world... what makes me an evil person for suggesting this?
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I feel that Western Canadian dirt must stay in western Canadian hands. Even in our little area of the west, out of province "big" money is buying land all over. These are mostly big money Alberta "non farmers" who have Zero interest in loacal community. This concept is going to backfire on them some day. There are huge reasons for cheap land in Sask, horrible crop ins.,highest freight rates, high risk weather environment, on and on. By pushing up land values here in Sask ther will be absolutly no buffer zone left and outside investment will be crying within a few years when reality kicks and land values soften again and the can no longer find despots who will pay the high rents needed for their rate of return. JMO
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Tom, the Chinese are fabulous workers. They are smart.
That being said, they adopted a political system that certainly did NOT make their country a favourable destination in the world that people wanted to immigrate to! Nobody beat China's door down trying to get in, but I will say, the Chinese themselves were/are trying to get out.
Strong remnants of communism cling...in their policy, in their customs, behaviour, daily lives.
Some will say it's desirable, the same as they claim is Cuba's system, but it is a system most do not want to embrace. That kind of thinking lingers for generations.
Cuba is one of the countries getting food aid from Canada this year.
The most important mark of suceess of a country is its' ability to feed its' people.
Both China and Cuba have failed miserably.
I doubt if few Western Canadians are prepared to wake up to CBC mandarin announcers on Sunday mornings, either.
Tom, Legislation preventing farmers from selling to ANY international buyer they choose to sell to, merely discourages the idea that freedom to sell is one of the most valuable concepts we can live by.
Do farmers make a sale based soley upon financial benefit?
No.
Many sell for other considerations.
Freedom of choice.
It's a valuable asset to the society we know and enjoy.
Parsley
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Parsley,
How Ironic...
We had this discussion around the Lunch Room table (7 of us from 12-49yrs including a Licensed Mechanic, Registered Nurse, and 3rd year College student)... without exception we thought you folks are acting like hypocrites...
I was reminded by them...that for us as 'designated area' grain growers... Canada is as Communist as is China or Cuba!
I was told (by the red neck) we need our own 'civil war'... to straighten out our own mess here at home... before we start preaching to China!
Federal Income Tax that is unconstitutional;
Native Canadians with breached treaties;
The CWB;
Anyone know how many Chinese are in the pillars of the CN (Yellowhead) bridge that goes across the North Sask. River at East Edmonton?
My Grandfather watched as a child...One chinese a day... went into the continuous pour of concrete Pillars...they wouldn't stop to fish them out... would have lowered productivity too much... month after month... year after year... died for Canada...as they were the folks who broke their backs to built the railroads across Canada!
ALL in the name of "Peace order and 'Good' Government"!
Astounding what a Liberal Judge can classify under this section of the Constitution!
WE must continue doing what breaks the ethical, moral, and civil HIGH standards that built this country... so we can continue to lower and lower standards..doing what we have done... in the name of 'Civilisation'!
I know... don't confuse the issue with the truth!
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Jensend;
Check out:
http://archives.cbc.ca/society/immigration/topics/1433/
In wikipedia.org:
Immigration for the railway
Chinese railway workers made the main labour force to the building of the Canadian Pacific Railway in British Columbia. When British Columbia agreed to join Confederation in 1871, one of the conditions was that the Dominion government build a railway linking B.C. with eastern Canada within 10 years. Canada's first Prime Minister, Sir John A. Macdonald, wanted to cut costs by employing Chinese to build the railway, and summarized the situation this way to Parliament in 1882: "It is simply a question of alternatives: either you must have this labour or you can't have the railway."[3].
In 1880, Andrew Onderdonk, an American who was the Canadian Pacific Railway construction contractor in British Columbia, originally enlisted Chinese labourers from California. When most of these deserted the railway workings for the goldfields, signed several agreements with Chinese gangs in China's Guangdong province and their representatives in Victoria. Through those contracts more than 5000 labourers were sent from China by ship. Onderdonk also recruited over 7000 Chinese railway workers from California. These two groups of workers were the main force for the building of the railway. Some of them fell ill during construction or died while planting explosives or in other construction accidents. By the end of 1881, the first group of Chinese labourers, which was previously numbered at 5000, had less than 1500 remaining as a large number had deserted for the goldfields away from the rail line Onderdonk needed more workers, so he directly contracted Chinese businessmen in Victoria, California and China to send many more workers to Canada.
Onderdonk engaged these Chinese labour contractors who paid Chinese workers only $1 a day while white, black and native workers were paid three times that amount. Chinese railway workers were engaged for 500 kilometres of the Canadian Pacific Railway considered by some to be the most dangerous section of the railway, notably the area that goes through the Fraser Canyon. As with railway workers on other parts of the line in the Prairies and northern Ontario, most of the Chinese workers lived in tents. These canvas tents were often unsafe, and did not provide adequate protection against falling rocks or severe weather in areas of steep terrain. Such tents were typical of working-class accommodations on the frontier for all immigrant workers although (non-Chinese) foremen, shift bosses and trained railwaymen recruited from the UK were housed in sleeping cars and railway-built houses in Yale and the other railway towns. Chinese railway workers also established transient Chinatowns along the rail line, with housing at the largest comprised of log-houses half dug into the ground, which was a common housing style for natives as well as other frontier settlers (because of the insulating effect of the ground in an area of extreme temperatures).
[edit] Chinese in Canada after the completion of the CPR
After the Canadian Pacific Railway was completed, many Chinese were left with no work. The government of Canada passed The Chinese Immigration Act, 1885 levying a "Head Tax" of $50 on any Chinese coming to Canada. After the 1885 legislation failed to deter Chinese immigration to Canada, the government of Canada passed The Chinese Immigration Act, 1900 to increase the tax to $100, and The Chinese Immigration Act, 1904 further increased the landing fees to $500, equivalent to $8000 in 2003.[4] - as compared to the Right of Landing Fee, or Right of Permanent Residence Fee, of merely $975 per person paid by new immigrants in 1995-2005, and further reduced to $490 in 2006.[5]
The Chinese Immigration Act, 1923, better known as the Chinese Exclusion Act, replaced prohibitive fees with an outright ban on Chinese immigration to Canada with the exceptions of merchants, diplomats, students, and "special circumstances" cases. The Chinese that entered Canada before 1923 had to register with the local authorities and could leave Canada only for two years or less. Since the Exclusion Act went into effect on July 1, 1923, Chinese at the time referred to Dominion Day as "Humiliation Day" and refused to celebrate Dominion Day until after the act was repealed in 1947..[citation needed]"
I am sure... Jensend... you can find many and various accounts of the abuse against the Chinese in Canada.
You do have a GOOGLE... 'GO' button... don't you?
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Vader,
Sun Tzu's addage about knowing yourself and knowing your enemy is what has caused the Wheat Board lifeblood of support to slowly drain away.
Knowing the CWB: Making farmers comply through force.
Knowing Farmers: They want co-operations and choice. Who in their right mind doesn't?
Parsley
PS Vader,
Sun Tzu advised: In practical marketing, the best thing is to steal the competitors market intact; to do negative marketing and create resentment is not so good.
Sun Tzu probably gave the CWB the idea to "steal" all the customers from organic farmers,(peeping at the names on the export licenses) and then run them out of business through regulation....deny, deny deny liceses.
To steal "the whole" as you so nicely reminded us Vader.
When is the CWB going to begin to deny export license buybacks to organic applicants, so the CWB doens't have to compete against the farmer?
New crop year B of D motion , did you say?
Not surprised.
Parsley
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Foreign ownership does not just happen. Some board has to approve the deal.
Lets look at IPSCO for an example. Canadian mom and dad steel plant turned into one of the most successful steel co. in North America. At the time of its disposal to the Swedes it was being run by David Sutherland. He was born in Moose Jaw, sask. Quite a nice fellow until he decided he could make alot of money for himself by negotiating a selling price instead of continuing to expand and grow like his predecessors did. Now its owned by the Russians.
The point of the dribble is that its the Canadian board of directors that sit on these companies that sell out not the shareholders (they are technically sheep). Once someone starts the wheel rolling its hard to stop.
Here's another example. Apparently the story goes that one of the latest farmer of the year fellows sells his 5 generation farm to an investment company ( thinking of himself he puts lots of money in his pocket) with the agreement to lease it back. The investment co. allows him to do that until they see a major capital gain and sell the land. Poof, the farmer of the year is no longer a farmer. Good example - not likely.
Its simple - greed will sell out our farmland and the likes of Vader will be lining his pocket championing the cause - typical Liberal running the cwb. (Actually I believe tthat Stewie Wells is running the cwb now with all this investment in organics but thats another thread.)
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Funny you picked that.
I refuse to work more than 110 hours a week at anything-except training concubines!
Sun tzu is required reading of all asian business men.
If we are in the middle of economic war it may be time to push the panic button."If" that is.
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