Sask Pulse Growers

[cottonpicken]

I usually dont bother with analysts that are lower on the food chain,but with it to wet to accomplish anything i picked up the "GREEN lentil market report"-focus on green.

As always i went in ASSuming these guys were just "normal" deer in the headlights type people that hard time with macro-economics.

But then i thought maybe not,maybe they profit from not telling the whole story.

So they are either stupid or evil.

Does anybody else know?

[parsley]

This is what they are:


"A check-off of 1% of the value of the gross sale is deducted at the first point of sale or distribution when a Saskatchewan producer sells pulse crops (including peas, lentils, chickpeas, beans, fababeans, soybeans, cowpeas, pigeon peas, lupins, vetches or lathyrus."


THIS IS COMPULSORY, cott

With a budget like they extract, you really don't think they give a damn about what you think, do you?

Farmers need to learn from them how to check off 1% of employees' gross paycheques in Saskatchewan.

Parsley

[parsley]

Go to


http://www.saskpulse.com/about/index.php?page=4

Look at the Pulse Check-off chart.

I'm having trouble seeing the numbers.

5 Mil in 2006?
2.8% of that to the Directors?


I'm having trouble with the math, too.

I multiply five mill times 2.8 per cent, and the damn caluculator keeps coming up with "Double Chins"
Am I doing something wrong?

Parsley

[charliep]

Will note the Sask. Pulse analyst (likely someone they are quoting and not necessarily them) put their name beside what they said.

Always room on the left hand side under moderators for your name. You will have to post your bio.

[parsley]

Analysts can post anything they want, including the loss of grade of grain due to a farmer shovelling in a bin with smelly-feet, with dollars given to them, BUT the problem I have is that all of the people at the Pulse Growers are paid for with money forcibly extracted.

Forcibly.

I find that offensive.


Parsley

[cottonpicken]

Liars,making money lying
Doing nothing,taking something
Sweating nothing,earning something
Being nothing,fooling someone
Eating cake,stealing cake

They are fools,we are fools

[charliep]

cottonpicken

Just interested in the article you are quoting from - could you post the link or the article. Offer stands as well.

Parsley - Your article suggests you don't find value in the Sk Pulse Com. If like Alberta, you can request your levy back. The question comes down to investment in research and development as well as market development and who should pay. Always good for a discussion.

[parsley]

charliep,

1. Is Alberta Pulse checkoff voluntary?
2. Is Sask Pulse checkoff voluntary?
3. Should University pule/grain research be mainly paid for by farmers?
4. Did I say I don't find value in Sask Pulse or did I rant about compulsory funding?


Parsley

[charliep]

In Alberta, commission levies are automatic but you can ask for your money. Not sure Saskatchewan.

The question of who pays for research is an interesting one and worthy of debate. I will note that having farmer dollars at the research table gives them say in what goes on/activities that take place. Will likely invite a beating from Alberta farmers but my observation is that our commissions have been very effective in taking farmers dollars in combination with government and industry and converting into research projects (and extension activites) that benefit their membership.

R&D, marketing, extension are all important to keeping western Canadian farmers competitive relative to other exporters. The question is how the industry works to make this happen and who pays/benefits.

[parsley]

Just so I am clear charliep, I support farmers funding research.

I think it is in our best interest.

That being said, I don't think they should be the SOLE funders. If they are, they should hold every single proprietary right to the data.

My revolt is against mandatory funding. i believe I have always been consistent on this point.

Without a release valve, like Alberta has, in the form of voluntarily applying for a refund, the farmer has ZERO way to reign in spending, to evaluate results or to benefit monetarily from their funded projects.

Case in point is the CWB. They spend without any measure of caution. Farmers are not allowed to evaluate, for ourselves, what kind of job they are doing, and lastly, anything funded is not getting into farmers' pockets, and that is a a jingling-in-the-pocket awarenes experienced by most farmers reading this site.

Another good example is this... Statistics Canada legislatively FORCES farmers, through fines, to provide agronomic information to Ag Canada , and Ag Canada, in turn, sell the farmers' information and put the money into Government coffers.

fyi, The entire lot of forced participation advocates should be dipped in honey from the barns and thrown to the bears.

Alberta at least has provided the opportunity to ask for your money back.

Saskatchewan has not. And I am surprised you have not differentiated between these two very important distinctions.

These two separate pieces of legislation, Alberta's and Sasktchewan's, result in the difference between accountabilty, and therefore at least a stab at good performance, and between inevitable rampant unacountable spendthriftiness, which ultimatley serves no-one well.

IF THERE IS ANY DAMN VISION LEFT in Agriculture, these paths should be obvious,because Saskatchewan farmers will pay the pulse price, literally, down the road.

If every farmer in Saskatchewan sowed half his land into lentils this year, the Sask Pulse police would deduct an entire 1% of sales at source. Gross. The amount of money deducted would be egregious.And there would be no way to get any of it back.

Legislation like that is distasteful. And those who helped get it passed are .....I'll let you find your own word.

Note the CAPS charliep
Consider yourself yelled at. lol

Parsley

[dave4441]

One of the key deferances is that a large postion of the levy goes to plant breeding in the Sask system. These varities are released back to growers without royalities. That is the key differance. If i pay the levy and do not ask for a refund, I do not want you, who does ask for the refund, to have any agronomic advantage over me. Alberta does not have this system. But I am guessing this does not fall into your line of arguement and is therefore left out. Agronomic research is also invested in. This info is available to all farmers. It is difficult to retain that info and only share it with those that pay the levy.

[parsley]

dave4441

In Saskatchewan, there is a straight 1% deduction off the top.

Can a person apply for a refund?