WTO thoughts

[agstar77]

Been into the MJ again Pars?

[bduke]

Parsley.....the irony of idealogical CWB support, IMHO, is that it normally costs the astute farmers, of which there are increasing numbers.

It also seems to me that the socialist mantra is "the lowest common denominator prevails!"...Bill

[parsley]

Everyone knows I've never fingered a MaryJane and won't start now, so I'll presume your acronymn stands for megajoule, so I'll take that as a compliment.

But I will comment on Larry Hill's thickly thought out comment.

"There's no proof that organizations like the CWB are trade-distorting," Hill said,..." in the Agri-ville.com nesletter. Read it.


Surely Hill has done his arithmetic and noticed that when he CLAIMS the CWB sells HIGHEST priced DA barley to the Americans, that the Canadian feedlots do not have to pay the same high price for DA barley.

By his reasoning, Canadian feedlots feed cheap barley.

With DA barley is pricey in the USA and cheap for Canadians, that is what you call TRADE-DISTORTING.

Parsley

[parsley]

btw, aggie, the hint went right over my head.! You're probably buyer-marketing,are you? Do you have a co-op?

Sorry,I'm not a potential buyer at all. Always interested in some good aParsleyrt, though, (with no smoke on it.)

[Fransisco]

Willagro, you have been talking about the supposed CWB marketing advantage for years now and have yet to provide a single piece of evidence to back up that claim.

Would you care to do so today? Will you ever do so?

[wilagro]

Fransico: Can you show me where turning the marketing over to ADM, Cargill, Louis Drefus. etc. has helped the farmer one lousy bit...when any and all residual profit STAYS with those companies?

[Fransisco]

You mean like how the CWB uses those exact same companies to sell half the wheat and over three quarters of the barley for you every year?

They call them accredited exporters, look it up for yourself here.

http://www.cwb.ca/dom/db/buying/sales_process/accredit.nsf/accexppage2?ReadForm&CategRegion=United%20States


Riddle me this Willagro, how is it that after these company take their profit, and the CWB takes it's, that you believe you still get a better price than dealing with them direct?

[Fransisco]

And in case you missed it in my Wednesday with White posting today here are some prices for you to look at.

In Bottineau North Dakota the closing price for new crop spring wheat today was $7.70 per bu USD

http://bottineaufarmers.com/index.cfm?show=11&mid=6&theLocation=1&cmid=1&layou t=1

The CWB fixed price contract would net me 6.77 per bu CAD in Manitoba for the same wheat.

http://www.cwb.ca/db/contracts/ppo/ppo_prices.nsf/fixed_price/fbpc-wheat-2008-mhrs-20080723.html

If we don't bother to do a currency adjustment(which would just make the board price look worse) that's .93 cents per bushel in favour of the ND farmer.

On a 50 bushel per acre crop that's $46.50 per acre that the Manitoba farmer is losing out on.

Now lets look at winter wheat.

For a bit of a change up today lets look at Berthold ND for their new crop price. It's $7.25 per bushel USD

http://www.bertholdfarmers.com/

CWB fixed price is $5.68 CAD in Manitoba for the same wheat.

So without a currency adjustment that's $1.57 a bushel difference.

On a 70 bushel per acre winter wheat crop that's $110 per acre difference.

Willagro, I have done this for the past three weeks and every time the Board's fixed price has come up short. In fact it has been getting worse.

The CWB subtracts value from my farm.

agstarr jokes about us free market, choice supporters giving away our first born, well the reality is that the CWB has been taking them away from us for generations already.

Now I've shown you mine will you show me yours?

[wilagro]

Fransisco: Haven't played that game since I was five or six years old. If you have a quarrel with the CWB and its pricing...TELL THEM ABOUT IT. I don't make their policies. Their day-to-day pricing is not in my hands. Tke it up with the board of directors...don't you hsve a director for your district? Phone, fax or write him/her and get things straightened out.

[Fransisco]

wilagro I am not the one playing games here, I answered your question and I did it with empirical evidence.

You are the one claiming that we have a "marketing advantage" with the CWB. You are the one who now instead of backing up your statement has decided to hide under the skirts of the Directors instead.

Can you not provide even a single piece of evidence to back up your claim? You, willagro, you, not someone else, you.

"Because the Directors tell me so" is not evidence.

If you can not back up your claim, then you should stop making it.

[Fransisco]

Let me help you out by providing you with a proper counter argument.

willagro, you should be saying something like this, " yes the CWB uses multi nationals like Cargill and ADM from time to time to sell grain on our behalf, but because the CWB has a lock on all of the Western Canadian wheat that gives them clout when dealing with these big grain companies that a lone producer would never have."

[wilagro]

Very good Fransisco...couldn't have said it better myself.

There is power and an advantage in joining together under the umbrella of the CWB in world trade.

I'm glad that you finally see the light <g>.