$.5B per year... lost to CWB single desk...

[TOM4CWB]

Burbert;

Don't lie to me.

SIMPLE.

You are as bad as the CWB.

A neighbour did a simple 12 month 'pick a day to sell' average calculation... using CWB PPO contracts... and came out well over $30/t short with using the pool this year.

And the CWB has stacked to PPO program to steal from us and cross subsidise the pool... which makes it even worse.

Be honest Burbert... this has NOTHING to do with co-operation or being a good neighbour... what you are accusing us of you yourself are 100% guilty of doing to us.

[TOM4CWB]

Chaff;

I didn't read your post first... good points.

Commercial farmers are clearly 'doing the math' and the CWB failed.

Hobby farmers will eventually loose influence... the TRUTH will expose to the world... the stupidity of the CWB position.

TROTW as indicated in WTO negotiations already knew... so we only have to convince ourselves now... the lack of mercy and grace the CWB has shown particulaily in 2008... will haunt them big time.

[chaffmeister]

Burbert says:
So the magic formula, is to delete the CWB and let brokers, grain companies, the open market dictate prices?

I'm astounded that, faced with piles of evidence to the contrary, you continue to believe the CWB sets prices.

Even the CWB says they don't set prices. They <b>compete</b> in the global market. This means their price needs to be competitive.

What have you got against <b>truth</b> and <b>wisdom</b>?

[wilagro]

Well...I read that "informafinalreport.pdf" and boy is it just what the AB gov't WANTED to hear. What a load of doodoo. The whole report is from an American perspective and is anti-CWB from the start. WE as Albertans should tell our gov't to quit spending good money on these American companies and their pro-American and anti-Canadian reports. This government likes to interfere in all kinds of marketing when it benefits certain "special interest" groups.

[chaffmeister]

"Special interest" groups like <b>70%</b> of Western Canadian farmers?

[chaffmeister]

What part is "doodoo"? Specifically.

Did you know that Informa Economics is owned by a UK-based company with global interests? Not very American from that perspective.

Data and information is from non-American sources such as the UN, the Japan Ministry of Agriculture, Quorum Corporation (a Canadian firm that monitors the grain industry for the government, and so forth. And, oh yeah, the CWB.

And just so's ya know - the authors of the study are Canadian (born and raised), working in the Canadian office (in Winnipeg). I've known them personally for years. If the results favoured the CWB, they'd say so.

[bucket]

The words co-operation and being a good neighbor are crap. If the cwb served a purpose like that and trying to pool results it would only seem logical that the cwb would pay for the spraying of wheat midge as that would effectively help all western canadian farmers - right?

When my expenses are pooled I will start believing in the communist wheat board, which, by the way is more of a reality than I thought.

[wilagro]

Interesting is the fact that MOST if not all of "informafinalreport" conclusions are based on or consist of ESTIMATES, ESTIMATES and more ESTIMATES.

Could be, should be, might be, maybe will be AND gawd-only knows what...conclusions tailor-made for the purchaser of the report.

Brrraaaccckkkkk!!!!Puke.

[Fransisco]

Name one specific conclusion, chart, or data set that you think is not accurate Willagro?

Just one.

Have you even really looked at it?

[Fransisco]

Here is some information about Informa.

http://www.informaecon.com/About_Us.htm


Does anybody really believe that these guys can be bought off? That they would be willing to risk their reputation and their whole business just to make the CWB look bad. Companies like this do not become this successful by falsifying data.

So if they are really on the take Willagro, agstar, Vader and all you other die hard monopolists who I know are reading this, start pointing out where their numbers and analysis is wrong.

[wilagro]

Fransisco: Nobody said that they could be bought off except you...but it is easy to selectively pick chunks of data here and chunks of data there and conclude what might have happened IF this had happened and/or IF that had happened or had not happened and draw conclusions based on ESTIMATES and GUESSES.

It is pointless to reconstruct what SHOULD have transpired given the circumstances at the time of the past commodity sales and state of the international trading climate.

Computer spreadsheets are pretty good at "what if" scenarios, but one has to use the proper data and formulae.

[kryger]

Could be, should be, might be, maybe will be AND gawd-only knows what...conclusions tailor-made for the purchaser of the report

I think you said they could be bought off, Wilagro.

The CWB does that on a regular basis.