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    $.5B per year... lost to CWB single desk...

    Charlie/Lee...

    I see this is the cost estimated for the CWB single desk... in the latest Informa study!

    "Executive Summary
    The following study has been conducted to address the need for up-to-date and
    objective analysis of the potential impact for farmers of an open market for wheat, durum and barley in western Canada.
    The approach utilized in this study refrains from a theoretical modeling approach in favour of direct evaluations of price performance and
    cost efficiencies by open market and single-desk selling systems. These comparative results are then applied to the Canadian marketplace to assess how farmers’ revenues and costs would be affected.
    One of the key claims made in support of a single-desk selling structure is based on the ability to exert market power within a given marketplace. Contrary to the claim that the
    CWB holds more than 20 percent of the international market, the analysis shows actual market share of 14.5 percent of the all-wheat trade and 11.0 percent of the global barley
    trade. The CWB falls far short of the generally accepted 25% market share threshold needed to exert influence over global prices of wheat and barley.
    When key individual importing countries are evaluated, there are few in which the CWB holds sufficient market share to potentially exert market power. Of the 91 countries to
    which Canada exported non-durum wheat, only Ecuador potentially exhibited
    characteristics suggesting that Canada has sufficient market power to leverage prices. If the criteria are relaxed slightly, four other countries (Colombia, Ghana, Guatemala and
    Venezuela) would meet the criteria for the CWB to potentially exert market power.
    Canada holds a more dominant position in the global durum market. Among the 41 countries to which Canada exported durum, market influence by Canada could
    potentially be exercised in six. The analysis indicates that Canada does not hold sufficient market power in any of the 20 markets to which it has exported barley during the period under examination.
    Even though the CWB does not exhibit sufficient “market power” characteristics to extract premiums, Canadian wheat and barley may at times be higher priced in certain
    markets. The reasons for these higher prices however, have little, if anything, to do with single-desk selling. Several of the key benefits claimed by the CWB such as quality,
    consistency, food safety, customer service and reliability are not dependent on a singledesk selling approach.
    In order to evaluate price performance by the CWB relative to an open market
    approach, prices for wheat, durum and barley at export markets were determined. For the core export markets, CIF prices achieved for Canadian wheat were occasionally higher than other exporting countries, but not consistently. Further, when these prices were examined based on the classes of wheat exported, the results showed that in almost every importing country, the “premium” paid for Canadian wheat was actually
    smaller than the spread that would be available simply due to the class of wheat sold into these markets. The difference between actual CIF prices and class-weighted prices ranged from $6.84 to $21.41 per tonne, representing a premium foregone by the CWB.
    When CIF prices for core durum markets were compared, Peru was the only market in which Canadian durum appears to consistently achieve a higher CIF price than other exporters.
    The CIF price comparisons also show that Canadian barley achieves the highest returns on occasion but certainly not on a consistent basis. In the quality-conscious
    market of Japan, Canadian barley does not achieve a premium price. In most instances, Canadian values for feed and malting barley are lower than the other two exporters, Australia and the US. On average, Japan pays $15.40 per tonne more for Australian
    feed barley than from the CWB. For malt barley, the US achieves $29.81 per tonne more than the CWB price.
    When evaluating prices received by farmers in the US and in the Canadian prairies, the analysis shows that for hard red spring wheat, US elevator bids have been higher than
    final payments from the CWB in five of the last six crop years. The average differencebetween the Canadian and US values shows that Canadian farmers have received $15.97 per tonne less than their American counterparts. The comparison for durum shows similar results. For the crop years of 2001/02 to 2006/07, Canadian farmers
    delivering 1CWAD 13.0% have received $12.29 per tonne less than US farmers and 1CWAD 11.5% has been $20.32 per tonne lower.
    The malt barley price in the US has outperformed CWB final payments for both two-row and six-row malting barley. In three out of the six most recent crop years analyzed, the
    average difference over those six years favours US elevator bids by $5.51 per tonne.
    The six-row CWB final payment is lower than the US elevator bid in five of six years, and the average difference is $21.11 per tonne. The feed barley market is the one in which the CWB final payments have performed the best relative to US elevator bids, but
    the average difference still favours the US by $2.85 per tonne.
    Some observers have pointed out that US elevator bids are not a useful comparison because the wheat, durum and barley markets in the US are limited to domestic consumption only. This statement ignore the fact that the US has exported an average
    of 58% of its spring wheat production and 44% of its durum production, indicating that elevator bids in the US are not simply based on domestic use, but also reflect export
    markets.
    In order to examine the potential system efficiencies of an open market, two comparative measures were employed. The first utilized efficiency data from the
    Quorum Corporation which provides an “export basis” for several CWB and non-board crops. The export basis measures the overall logistics cost associated with moving
    prairie crops to an export position. The export basis levels for wheat, durum, canola and yellow peas (the crops analyzed by Quorum) have been $55.80 per tonne for CWRS
    wheat, $68.64 for durum and $45.37 for canola. This industry-developed measure
    clearly indicates that the cost of handling and marketing CWB grains is significantly higher than non-board crops and challenges the notion that the CWB is able to drive efficiencies in the system through its size and clout in the Canadian marketplace.
    While the CWB has taken steps to manage administrative costs, increases in this area are another reason for the trend toward higher system costs for CWB grains. Over the
    past 20 years, administrative costs have risen by an average of $1.99 million per year or
    an average rate of increase of 7.2%, in spite of declines in CWB grains administered.
    Administrative costs on a per-tonne basis climbed gradually from $1.29 per tonne in 1987 to the mid-1990’s and then rose rapidly to peak at $4.03 per tonne in 2002/03, partly due to a drought-reduced crop in that year.
    The second efficiency measure compared system costs in the US and Canada and
    indicated that the total non-freight cost of moving wheat from southeast Saskatchewan to Vancouver has been $9.95 per tonne higher than the cost of moving wheat from North Dakota to the Pacific Northwest. This difference is a valid estimate of the greater
    efficiency that could be obtained from an open market environment and corroborates the findings based on the Quorum data.
    Over the most recent six crop years, the interest farmers could earn by selling in the open market in the US exceeds the interest earned from CWB payments, due to the full
    value of grain paid earlier in the year. The gain from open market sales of spring wheat is an average of $3.08 per tonne, while the average gain for durum sales is $3.98 per tonne.
    While it is difficult to forecast how an open market would affect western Canadian wheat acreage, the experience in other regions of Canada and the world would suggest that at
    the least, wheat area would stabilize if not increase slightly. Wheat acreage in western Canada has dropped more sharply than in eastern Canada and has declined more rapidly than any other major wheat exporter. To quantify the enhanced gross revenue that would result from an open market for wheat, durum and barley, the estimated price differentials and costs of the CWB single desk were applied to volumes of the applicable crops. These estimates show significant
    savings could be achieved by farmers by moving to an open market, from a low of $13.72 per tonne for feed barley to a high of $47.57 per tonne for durum. Based on the most recent five year average of grain delivered into the CWB pool accounts, revenue
    gains from an open market system would total $450 million to $628 million per year.
    These savings estimates are based on those aspects which can be quantified, while items such as inefficiencies of CWB contracts, lack of price transparency, storage issues and sales timing are not included."

    This looks quite logical and common sense... comments?

    #2
    Goobily gook, presented in such general terms, that makes the indepth report, useless. CWB bad, open market good, maybe, but we don't know or care, cause we are researchers, on to the next earth shaking project. Making the world a better place, one research project at a time. LOL

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      #3
      Did you even read it you idiot?

      Feel free to trot out your pro cwb analysis anytime.

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        #4
        For those that want to read the study, here is the link.

        http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$Department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agc6751/$FILE/informafinalreport.pdf

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          #5
          I am a little simple so I watched the asking prices that are published almost every day. The asking price for durum was over 400/tonne as of aug 07 and is now at 600/tonne. It peaked at over 1000/tonne. To be at only 12.50 per bu I would say the cwb lost over 500 million on durum alone.

          Even if you use 80% of the asking price and average there is alot of money missing.

          And by the way those americans that sold for $7 are getting 14 TO 15 THIS YEAR. Any pro boarders want to comment.

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            #6
            Ouch, this ones going to leave a mark!

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              #7
              Isn't this interesting...


              <blockquote>"When key individual importing countries are evaluated, there are few in which the CWB holds sufficient market share to potentially exert market power. Of the 91 countries to which Canada exported non-durum wheat, only Ecuador potentially exhibited characteristics suggesting that Canada has sufficient market power to leverage prices.

              Among the 41 countries to which Canada exported durum, market influence by Canada could potentially be exercised in six.

              The analysis indicates that Canada does not hold sufficient market power in any of the 20 markets to which it has exported barley during the period under examination."</blockquote>

              Even in durum where the board actually has a sizable amount of market share it might only be able to tweak the price in six out of 41 countries.

              On second thought 'interesting' isn't the right word here, 'pathetic' sums it up much better.

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                #8
                Yep, its pathetic!

                I call it INCOMPETENCE!

                Premium - The cwb ought to find a dictionary.

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                  #9
                  I think the PR department wrote their dictionary for them.

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                    #10
                    All of this is incredible.

                    Farmers for the most part seed, spray and harvest inside of five months. The railways can't move the crop inside of 12 months, the cwb can't sell it inside of 18 months which means the it takes close to 24 months or more to get paid. Yet we continue to produce extremely efficiently and not get rewarded.

                    Farmers have essentially overhauled their farms to stay in business and yet the other components of the industry continue on their archaic ways. Its embarrassing.

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                      #11
                      This is as good a place as any to post this.

                      For the crop year about to end, consider the following:

                      1. The CWB considers it has an 18 month window to sell each year’s crop – that means they start to sell as early as Jan 1 before the crop year even starts.

                      2. The PRO for #1CWRS 13.5 is $370/tonne. With one day left in the crop year, let’s assume it won’t change much from here so we’ll call this price your Final.

                      3. The CWB’s daily selling price (often called the “Card Price”) is published in the CGC Grain Stats Weekly. We’ll call this the CWB Offering Price.

                      4. From Jan 1, 2007 to July 30, 2008 the CWB Offering Price ranged from a low of $253 (May 18th, 2007) to a high of $889.95 (Feb 25th, 2008). The average was $397.49/t. That means your Final is about 27 bucks BELOW the average CWB Offering Price.

                      5. Prices generally moved higher throughout the year until peaking on Feb 25th – since then, prices have trended lower.

                      <b>This strongly suggests the CWB sold more early and less later on. Or it sold at prices substantially lower than their own Offering Price.</b>


                      There’s more.

                      5. If we assume the CWB doesn’t sell “too early” like they say US farmers did, perhaps we should consider only the CWB Offering Prices since Aug 1, 2007. If we do, then the average CWB Offering Price is $470.10. If we do this, your Final is a whopping 100 bucks BELOW the average CWB Offering Price.

                      6. The CWB Offering Price was lower than your Final on only 53 days. It was above your Final on 194 days.

                      <b>It’s clear as can be. The CWB front loaded the sales program, just as they accused the US farmer of doing.</b>


                      One final insult.

                      During harvest 2007 (which was late Aug to late Oct, according to Sask Ag), the average CWB Offering Price was about $368.

                      <b>The CWB was successful at getting you no more than the prices they were offering at harvest.</b>

                      Who thinks they could’ve done better on their own?

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                        #12
                        So the magic formula, is to delete the CWB and let brokers, grain companies, the open market dictate prices? We are certain to get rich, rich, rich., like the Americans. Railroads will become our friends, move our grain in a timely manner. Every man/woman for themselves, is the only way to go, the open market will prevail. Wow how simple can it get. No more co-operation amoungest farmers, lets get what we kin get and to hell with the rest of you. Yeah I can see this is a magic formulation which will insure that Canadian farmers continue to lead the world. High inputs be damned, we are the best and some of us know it, all we have to do is educate others, bring them on side! Thank goodness you shakers and movers exist. Hopefully you are not fools, leading us with your modern view and expertise!

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                          #13
                          Burbert;

                          Don't lie to me.

                          SIMPLE.

                          You are as bad as the CWB.

                          A neighbour did a simple 12 month 'pick a day to sell' average calculation... using CWB PPO contracts... and came out well over $30/t short with using the pool this year.

                          And the CWB has stacked to PPO program to steal from us and cross subsidise the pool... which makes it even worse.

                          Be honest Burbert... this has NOTHING to do with co-operation or being a good neighbour... what you are accusing us of you yourself are 100% guilty of doing to us.

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                            #14
                            Chaff;

                            I didn't read your post first... good points.

                            Commercial farmers are clearly 'doing the math' and the CWB failed.

                            Hobby farmers will eventually loose influence... the TRUTH will expose to the world... the stupidity of the CWB position.

                            TROTW as indicated in WTO negotiations already knew... so we only have to convince ourselves now... the lack of mercy and grace the CWB has shown particulaily in 2008... will haunt them big time.

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                              #15
                              Burbert says:
                              So the magic formula, is to delete the CWB and let brokers, grain companies, the open market dictate prices?

                              I'm astounded that, faced with piles of evidence to the contrary, you continue to believe the CWB sets prices.

                              Even the CWB says they don't set prices. They <b>compete</b> in the global market. This means their price needs to be competitive.

                              What have you got against <b>truth</b> and <b>wisdom</b>?

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