Dumb Dyck

[cottonpicken]

Anybody have time to catch farmgate.

Some chick named Dyck,who is head of the renewable fuels thing for canada was on.

Kind of interesting.

She was saying there is legislation for 2.5 billion litres of ethanol and 500 million litres of bio-diesel?True?

Then she tried fielding questions about the critisisms of food for fuel.

Pretty weak.Wait till 300 million dead people are splashed on some tv screens.

Bob Simpson looked like he wanted to slap some sence into her.Like that guy.

[boarderbloke]

cotton, what's with canola tonight, up $19.20 on the near by?

[Kodiak]

Cottonpicken - you know if you'd ever grow up and try challenging ideas instead of resorting to name calling and personal attacks, more people might actually give you some respect. Until then, I suspect most think of you as just an arrogant, brash teenager who has a lot to learn.

How about coming up with a counter argument to what you've heard or read. Cite some facts. Connect the dots. Come to a logical conclusion based on reasoning.

Until you do, you can't be taken seriously.

Now go ahead. Tell us how brilliant you are............

[TOM4CWB]

Kodiak....

That didn't come off any better than Cotten's shot... there are some really interesting forces to watch in the next 6 months... to see where the Ag Economy heads!

War... $165/bbl oil... Peace... $85

Interesting times... we all need to allow real and interesting thought processes... no doubt we feel like we are in uncharted territory... but it all must have happened before!

[cottonpicken]

Is she your mother or have you got your life savings tied up in an ethanol plant?

There are plenty of reasons not to use food for fuel.I'm to busy to start.

But if you need just one-"hundreds of millions starving to death".

Is that a big enough dot for your brain?

Maybe the bottoms in for canola?

[vvalk]

Cotton. You can't honestly believe that ethanol is the reason hundreds of millions of people are starving. There is no more people starving now then 10 years ago, in fact there are much less. How about corrupt gov'ts who won't allow food to their populations. Let's be realistic. We can grow enough food for both. Just look at how much all the commodities ending stocks have risen this year. Granted we are still historically low. Your the one who says can predict prices. Where would prices be if we added 4 BILLION bus of corn to ending stocks.

[TOM4CWB]

Cotton;

vvalk has a good point... add ALL biofuels... Soybeans, Canola/****seed, Sugarcane... and the Ethanol that will be produced from billions of tons of 'byproducts' that are organic...

All could be 'food' for someone... or some animal... or some criter that could make protien that was edible.

Black Oil/gas makes food for people... with the right critter or plant or process to convert it.

So who or what determines who should eat... and who should not?

POLITICS.

Face it Cottonpicken... you lost this biofuels argument!

It won't be biofuels that cause 300m or however many people to starve... it will be... POLITICS!

[Jay-mo]

Blaming any starvation on bio-fuels is the most simplistic knee-jerk argument going these days.
Corrupt governments and politics has almost always been and will continue to be the reason we see mass famines in the third world.
Another reason the bio-fuel/food argument should go away is the fact that alot of research is going into using ddg for human consumption.
The fact that ddg contain three times the protein of grain it came from is lost on the general population as well.

[wilagro]

Before I croak, I would like to be able to drive up to some ALL bio-fuel pumps which give me a choice of fuels to put into my fuel tank.

I don't see any NOW and from what I read its all hype and no action. All kinds of investments announced but where is the product or products?

To declare that bio-fuels cause mass starvation in countries around the world is total b.s. when we can't even buy bio-fuels.

Yes, cottonpicken...do more reading before you draw your conclusions. There are many who write with a prejudiced view before they even start.

[parsley]

Do you think the problem is starvation?

http://www.fao.org/FOCUS/E/obesity/obes1.htm

The article states differently:

QUOTE "For the first time, the number of overweight individuals worldwide rivals those who are underweight. And sadly, developing nations have joined the ranks of countries encumbered by obesity."UNQUOTE


Don't fingerpoint G8's either.
The article goes on to say:

QUOTE "In 1999 United Nations study found obesity in all developing regions, and growing rapidly, even in countries where hunger exists. ..... "

"Even sub-Saharan Africa, where most of the world's hungry live, is seeing an increase in obesity, especially among urban women. In all regions, obesity seems to grow as income increases." UNQUOTE

Cotton, maybe you could be recommending expropriating from the obese to provide for the starving, through taxation.

A Canadian Obese Board could simply measure offenders using the public health care system, and tax the obese people, using the carbon-tax model. Jail non-compliancees.

The COB could remit the designated tariff to the starving they consider, in their opinion, amply 'needy'.


Pooling excess fat to all regions of the world, so to speak. I think we could find experieneced staff to take on this project.


In the Canadian percentage pictured in the webpage below, where do you fit in? Will you be taxed?

http://www.wellingtongrey.net/miscellanea/archive/2007-05-06--world-fatness.html


Parsley

[cottonpicken]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_in_the_world_die_each_year_due_to_ starvation

But lets not let facts get in the way heh guys?

And what about the efficency factor?
A net energy loss?

An industry that needs subsidies and government mandatory legislation.Yep,i'm wrong.

The only name calling i did was call her dumb,her name is dyck.

I do have to give a round of applause to the belle plain team.Locking in two years of wheat at 3.68.

And then having the balls to say,"oh but next time it might go the other way".Wink,wink,nudge,nudge,snicker,snicker-stupid farmers.

[parsley]

Don't put words in my mouth, cott. I didn't say people aren't starving. My point I read was this...there are now more obese people in the world than starved.


And who am I to argue with a United Nation's report? They probably took 2 years as well as 2 billion to complete it. I'll leave it up to you to email them and tell they it's dumb and they're dumb, if that is your finding and makes you glow.


One more thing ...Dyck is not dumb. Nor obese.

Parsley

[dfarms11]

Parsley, I really like your new taxation idea! I think you should pass it on to the local MLA and get them to try and pass it. I love it!

[parsley]

dfarms11,

Either you enjoy being measured, or else you work for a certain Government Corporation who's drowning in that tide of Western farmer rejection that keeps pounding in higher every year, in which case, you need to invent a new agency with a new mandate.


Parsley

[dfarms11]

NO, just a simple farmer. Just one of those things that was able to make me laugh! Its not that I believe that it would go anywhere or do anything, its just funnier than heck!