CWB has to go

[wilagro]

I would say that IF and WHEN the CWB is scrapped then the little guys will have to start all over again with "new style" Co-ops much like their fathers and grandfathers did with their "wheat pools". Only this time they should keep the government out of the equation as much as is possible and form a viable farmer owned trading organization.

Otherwise, they will be pawns of the big monopolistic grain traders for ever.

[bucket]

And you know what wilagro - you will probably be sitting in a room or on this website gaining valuable knowledge for your co-op from the very people you have been jawing with for the last while. No one wants to see farmers fail. But the cwb handcuffs our opportunities. A co-op is a good idea because someone can be held account. The cwb has stolen our wheat for 2 years now and no one is held to account for our dismal returns.

Its not ok for the cwb to blend my #1 durum with someone's crap and even it out to 8 bucks a bushel when my grains worth 15 and his is worthless. Why because the guy producing crap grain isn't paying my input bills.

[charliep]

wilagro

Hasn't the process you talk about with inland terminals and the purchase of the old UGG terminal in Vancouver started?

The assumption is the CWB will die in an open market setting. Why couldn't the CWB provide some of the services you talk about in an open market? If the federal government were to transition the CWB to a new open market world, what would this transition look like? How will the CWB change to survive?

[katoe]

Charlie you asked agood question how the cwb would operate.Perhaps the Ab Government could tell us.Or perhaps the grain companies would tell us how they would or if they would handle grain for the cwb.,which would be their competion.I know their are all kinds of self proclaimed expert on this site with all the hypothetical answers but I want to hear it from the governments and the grain companies how it is going to work.

[cottonpicken]

Dont get me wrong,i want them gone.

I just think the "average" farmer is going to have a tough time against an "average" trader.

I do agree with your statment about the wheat board adapting to survive and provide other services.

Maybe if they started charging a per acre marketing fee,like some private guys are doing,they would make more money.

[Ron]

how about if they get paid on commission, give them an incentive to get the most value from my grain? There seems to be no incentive for them other than to keep their cushy job (maintain the status quo)

SCREW THE CWB

[haveapulse]

Trade Incentives: buyers often reward key persons with gifts in kind as an expressed interest in attaining a more mutually beneficial relationship.

Can't say it happens for sure in he Ivory Towers of the CWB , but in most other circumstances of trade and business it does.

Anyone come to mind?

[TOM4CWB]

katoe,

"Or perhaps the grain companies would tell us how they would or if they would handle grain for the cwb.,which would be their competion."

For the large majority of grain co's... the CWB IS the COMPETITION
N O W.

The Rest Of the World... does not have the CWB mucking around undercutting prices... Winter Wheat being the perfect example this year.

A very high quality crop... being sold at bone jarring LOW prices... and the worst basis in history.

As if we need a 'single desk' monopoly... to give our wheat away... C.P.!?

As you have mentioned 101 times... we are perfectly able to do our own 'give aways'... without the CWB throwing us in jail for trying to stop them from selling our produce at massive discounts... simply because they don't know what its value is in the FIRST PLACE!

It is about time the CWB became responsible to be accountable for the botched messes they make...

AS WELL...

The CWB SHOULD be recognised by folks... and appreciated if and when they do a good job and make great sales... but pooling even prevents this from happeneing... BECAUSE there is no accountability in the system... no transparency to force the accountability...

JUST one big mess.

If BUNGE or CARGILL wants to rip me off on my Canola... I don't sell to them.

With the CWB... I have NO CHOICE.

Having the RIGHT to say NO... should be a basic human right for everyone!

If Burbert, Agstar, Wilagro and C.P., enjoy fooling around with the CWB... so be it...

But I don't enjoy being ripped apart...and then having these folks [Burbert, Agstar, Wilagro and C.P.] tell me I am supposed to have enjoyed it ...

Noone should be forced into a relationship... especially when abuse of another human is the primary objective of the relationship... which IS the CASE with the CWB 'single desk' MOMOPOLY.

It is all about coveting and taking from some folks... to the benefit of others ...the Burberts, Agstars, Wilagros and C.P.'s of the world... that are lazy and don't want to do their required due diligence... and be responsible for their own mistakes!

[haveapulse]

The right to say no and to chose creates competition, and yes even if the competition is among a few players.
It is still choice.

Choice the foundation of a free society, as opposed to a communist society the government holds all or some of the rights of individuals.

TOM4 is right, the debate has nothing to do with money and everything to do with choice, and human rights; and the fact that the Government of Canada remains keepers of MY key as supported by the comrades who allow the CWB the ability to do so by their adulation.

The horror of collectivism is no different for us who abhor the CWB for the fact it takes away my basic human rights of choice as normally associated with a democratic capitalistic nation, than it was for those who escaped communist countries with barely the clothes on their backs.

Are the socialist do gooders who with clear conscience and a sense of entitlement own MY rights any different that those who drove the migrants of Communist Russia to Canada.

Dwarfed indeed by the human tragedy of the time, the sentiment to me it is one of the same.

[parsley]

"Anyone come to mind?"

Who comes to your mind?




The isssue is indeed about choice, and ownership and property rights.

This is the basic issue:

Do/should farmers in Western Canada have the right to sell what we grow?


Parsley

[haveapulse]

Just one? Does that mean I have to choose? :{