Delusions and other things people want to believe

[AdamSmith]

Ok twice today I've read postings from two seperate individuals who's main complaint is that too much time is spent within the "Commodity Marketing" topic area on "Politics"

It's clear now why we still have a cwb single desk,

when you have otherwise intellegent people expecting others to talk "marketing" only when for two of the major grains that are grown on the prairies,

NO MARKET EXISTS. There is no market. There are no cash bids, there is no trading, there is no buying and selling, the market doesn't exist.


So for those of you out there who don't want to dirty yourselves by getting into politics, you need to understand that just because you desire the issue go away, it never will until real wheat and barley markets actually exist.

It just saddens me seeing people wanting to limit the discussion to something that doesn't even exist.

I'm also grateful there are enough of us out here who do understand the reality of the situation and do understand that you can't have a real discussion about a real market until we fight our way through to victory on the political battlefield.

[jensend]

you're absolutely right. many people on this board are suffering from severe and bizarre delusions.

[parsley]

And the most bizzare of all, by far, are the farmers who believe and promote, that producers should not have the right to sell what they grow.

It's hard to build a stong West,when the Bizaarest's principles being promoted are:
1. Limitation (just a few lucky quota farmers, boys)
2. Greed (The single desk brings more money, that's why you want it, you say)
3. No property rights (The DA grain-reserve.)

Parsley

[AdamSmith]

jensend, I remember one time when I was about six or seven years old and I decided it would be fun to repeat verbatim everything my older sister said right back to her just to tick her off. I also remember being introduced to the inside of a clothes hampper with her po'd rump solidly on the lid.

You have something meaningful to say?

Say it, with clarity and reason, otherwise understand when other read your posts the only thing they elicit is a desire to stuff you someplace.

[AdamSmith]

sorry, hammper has two m's not two p's

[AdamSmith]

oh crap, my bad, it only has one m and one p

[parsley]

That's about as funny as I've read yet.
lol LOL LOL
Pars

[chaffmeister]

Parsley:
When you stop laughing, add a fourth "Bizaarest's principle"....

4. The CWB as "the hand that feeds us" (Burbert)

[parsley]

my bad

That's a keeper.

LOL
LOL

ONly 3 pillars. You can't have burbert as a pillar, can you? Could he be the fourth dimension?

Parsley

[Kodiak]

Hey I’m with you Adam! Its not that I have any delusions that my wheat and barley marketing activities aren’t influenced by politics - whether it’s the CWB’s politics or the Parliament of Canada! In fact I think CWB politics is the worst and the more reprehensible of the two. They have a mandate to market grain and a goal (so they say) to achieve superior results. Have we seen it? NO! Their preoccupation with politics at every level would be uproariously funny if it didn’t hurt so bad and I could escape its costly effects on my farm.

And I get your rhetorical question from the other thread. You’re right, there is no grain marketing in Canada that is free from and divorced from politics. Not even canola, the Cinderella crop. Chaff and others have pointed out the interconnectedness of it all. The answer to your winter wheat situation? Rhetorically - there is no market. There is only a contrived price the CWB will pay you or allow you to achieve. You cannot negotiate price nor can you build a relationship with a buyer or end-user. Nor can there be any encouraging or building of an industry. All that is too important for you or me muck around in. It must left to the high foreheads at the CWB.

It’s just that my juices also get flowing when I can read (and maybe even participate in) a good discussion about markets in general, and about specific markets for specific crops. I’d like to see a bit more of that here. That’s all! And by the way it would be more interesting without the arrogance and childish afflatus that is characteristic of some that post here. (Oops - I hope I’m not censured! But just like in any coffee shop, I have no doubt the sensitive skin types will recognize themselves!)

[AdamSmith]

Thanks Kodiak for clarifiing your position.

with both a looming federal election and cwb director elections coming this fall,

now is not the time to be running away from the politics of grain.

now is the time to make sure our voices are heard and we must demand real actions from those who seek positions of power and purport to support open grain marketing in western Canada.

[GrainBeetle]

Chaff,where is Fran?

[boarderbloke]

AdamSmith, I was the first to bring up the term "politics" in the previous topic thread I'm sure your referring to. You know I haven't been here too long, but in the two years reading and occasionally posting here I can only remember one or two posters claiming not to grow grains that fall under the CWB. If most of us posting here(Commodity Marketing), are growing wheat, durum and/or malt barley, I'd like to know why we can't discuss how, when and where we're gonna market these raw products! All I'm saying is that most of us are harvesting 'board' grains right now, and I'm interested in discussing with others what strategies are best to deal with unhedged production without politics taking over the thread. I'm sure that producers here aren't just pooling their grain, so are they holding till later in the year hoping for an improved basis (or holding till after the Oct14 election) or are they just accepting the CWB basis and taking a fixed price for what they can get, or maybe an EPO, but at what percentage?
I never suggested that a discussion about Ag politics/CWB shouldn't happen, nor did I suggest it be stifled in anyway. I don't support the board, nor did I vote for dual marketing and I've never posted anything in support of the board! I did suggest that if posters broke the rules of the 'Community'(maybe something considered liable) that a ban might be imposed (which some have since have admitted being at some point).
There's an old saying around the prairies which I'm sure you know, "Wheat is two percent chaff and ninety eight percent politics" or another, "You can separate the chaff from the wheat, but not the politics"
AdamSmith, I predict the board will be toast by next crop year!

[Fransisco]

What is it grainbeetle?

[TOM4CWB]

boarderbloke;

I seem to remember... 10 years ago... someone predicting the same as you just did... and guess what!

THE CWB IS STILL HERE... IN ALL THE GLORY... WITH A BASIS 10 TIMES MORE ABUSIVE... THAN 10 YEARS AGO!

Do you reallly think growers are mad enough... and thinned out enough... to turf them?