selling grain into the US is the only issue. I have not seen one post talking about marketing grain to any country but the US. most of the marketing being talked about is a phone call to a US elevator or a broker.
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When comparing wheat board asking prices to the final pool returns those asking prices are not just to the US they are asking prices to the world.
The CWB sells to more than just the US.
BTW-stubblejumper are you happy with the boards performance here? Does below average pool prices year after year do it for you?
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stubblejumper
If you haven’t seen any posts about marketing grain to any country but the US, you haven’t read my posts – or the post Fransisco put up earlier in this thread. We talk about what’s going on in the US because it’s close and a fair comparison. Some of us have talked about how the CWB really doesn’t get premiums on barley into Japan too, but that’s a tougher one to really place at your farmgate.
But you missed something important.
When we talk about the CWB pools being a BILLION dollars below average pricing, do you think we’re only talking about sales to the US?
Think about this - it’s important.
<b>ONE BILLION DOLLARS.</b>
Year after year. (OK, I only did the math on three years but there was a definite pattern/consistency.)
How would the western Canadian economy be different if you guys made ONE BILLION DOLLARS more each year? (Arguably you would make even more than that without the CWB but that’s another discussion.)
How would your farm be different if you had been making $1.00 to $1.50 per bushel more? Every year?
How can you argue over whether we’re talking about the US or the rest of the world when there is this BILLION DOLLAR elephant sitting in the room screaming for you to notice him?
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stubble...
The US Hard Red Dark Northern is exported as shown before... by far the majority in the past year... was sold to the International market... contrary to popular CWB fairy tales and myths that are simply not true.
We had a this discussion a couple of weeks back... in case you forgot.
http://www.uswheat.org/supplyDemand/doc/1F12C86023E8E550852574C5006C96FD?OpenDocument#
In 07-08 The US exported 8.3mmt out of 12.2mmt... of DNS HRS.
State your deceptions as many time as you like... they are still just as incorrect the 10th time as they were the 1st time!
Interesting that Agstar77 treats the simple truth... as "rhetoric on this site... being lowered to a new level"
Chairman Ritter had as many chances as the sun rising every morning... over the past 10 years... to put the CWB on the rails and prepare the corporation for reality.
In my opinion it was these lost opportunities that now mean the CWB can not be salvaged.
Dealing with an honest business... like many of the grain co's my farm has the privilege and opportunity to partner with... is 100X better than the deceit and corruption the CWB has initiated ...especially over the past few years.
I have no desire whatsoever to try to bail out a bunch of lefties that have brought the CWB past the point of no return.
WHO exactly is pleased or satisfied with CWB risk management or marketing performance?
The shell game is over... and we found out which shell the bean was hid under...
you guessed it...
it is clear...
there never was a bean!
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My point is none of you so called marketers really wants to market grain. All you want is to be able to price grain into the highest world market and let the rest of western Canadian farmers have the rest.
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Why do you and other CWB supporters think that free marketers want freedom for themselves but not for anyone else? Where did that ever come from? I’ve even heard free marketers called “Farmers for Just Us”.
The irony in this is that single deskers want to subject everyone to their view of the world. I’ve even had these guys say to me “I don’t care if the CWB is getting premiums or not; I don’t care if the CWB makes you and me more money or not; it needs to stay so that we all get the same.”
Now that’s selfish!!!
Marketing freedom will benefit everyone, even those that fear it.
The single desk, through pooling, benefits some and hurts others. (Actually, it hurts everyone by selling below average, but you don't seem to want to see it.)
If you want a system where everyone benefits equally, pick one where everyone has the same opportunities – a free market.
Free marketers want a system in which they can respond to meaningful market signals – when they’re deciding what to grow; when they’re deciding what to store and what to move; and when they’re deciding what, when and how to price. (That’s marketing by the way – it’s not just phoning around for the best price as some have suggested.)
Free marketers want a system that is competitive and efficient. Competition drives down costs.
Free marketers want a system that is sustainable. Imagine what an extra $1.00 to $1.50 per bushel each year would have done for you and your family. (Re-read the post about the BILLIONS blown by selling below average.)
Free marketers want a system where nobody pays for someone else’s mistakes. The CWB makes mistakes; you pay for them.
Free marketers want a system that rewards hard work.
Free marketers want a system where everyone has the same opportunities to prosper.
If you don’t like the idea of a free market because you think the CWB single desk serves you better, just remember the $1.4 BILLION that the CWB missed for you last year; and the $1.1 BILLION the year before that. Then, if you actually end up with market freedom, and you feel lost without the CWB, simply arrange to sell 10% of your crop on the 15th of each month from Sept to June. You won’t have the worry and stress about “marketing” and you’ll actually do better than you did with the CWB.
Here's the main difference between single deskers and free marketers:
Single deskers don’t care that the system they're fighting to hang on to is hurting free marketers.
Free marketers would be very happy to see every single desker reap the rewards of a free market.
So, who really are the Farmers for Just Us?
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stubblejumper
You critize individuals for trying to do the same thing you exole the CWB for doing. Do you think those of us who try to sell for the best price we can get are thinking in the back of our mind that we are stealing money from our neighbors. Farming is a business and we make decisions based on trying to make that business successful. I do not want to make decisions of what is good or bad for my neighbors. They spend their dollars, they should have the right to decide what is best for them.
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Apologize for interrupting but a question based on
observation.
A farmer who would want to sell durum today for
$11/bu durum is greedy and taking away a market
for every other farmer.
A farmer who deliver durum for $6 bu and has a
promise (not guarantee) of a further $3/bu is a
responsible member of society and should be held
in highest esteem.
A farmer who uses an FPC/EPO to manage risk
because of their risk management strategy/need
for cash flow or what their business reason
demands is ______________?
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