Candidate in District 6

[charliep]

Still struggling the concept of the same as everyone when a farmer who for their own business reasons wants to get paid on delivery. The price (1CWAD 13 ptn) they would get today (based on a Saskatchewan deduction of $1.66/bu) would be $6.58/bu. What is the difference between a farmer who wants to sell for $11/bu (contributes to their profitability at the ultimate business risk strategy - getting paid and depositing in the bank) and the arguement that is presented robs the overall pool of this high priced sale versus a farmer that wants to get paid on delivery to manage their risk/enhance cash flow and having the CWB download the whole cost of risk management on the farmer who uses FPC programs.

[charliep]

agstar77

Your answers explain why the daily price contract was dropped in 2008/09.

[agstar77]

If the person using a risk program doesnt pay its cost who does? Those that don't use the program?

[charliep]

You have argued over time that CWB/pooling is a risk management strategy. Does that mean that farmers who want to price outside the pooling/payment system shouldn't pay the cost of pooling?

[parsley]

Organics were forced to contribute to the pooling accounts for years, and years, and years, even though they did not use the conventional transportation system, or use the CWB marketing, or use the CWB pooling etc. And yet you advocate that I should be forced to sell through the CWB, take my losses, and pay YOU.

How can you reconcile your "I don't begrudge my neighbor getting a higher price as long as it doesnt cost me money" position? Or is it only when it works in your favor agstar?

Paarsley

[gustgd]

Bucket
Have you heard anything about farmers who live outside the Churchill catchment area, delivering into it?
These people essentially haul grain backward to get into special programs.

I'm going to paraphrase a good fellow who said the best proof that the current board system does not work is that no American/Ontarian has been caught trying to sneak wheat INTO the designated area!

[parsley]

Goodale changed the CWB Act.

A tariff based upon the difference between the price of grain inside and outside of Canada(what they named buyback in later years) originally applied to ALL imports as well as exports.

The Act revision allows Americans to bring wheat or barley into Canada with no tariff, or buyback or fees.

Organic mills quite often buy American wheat/barley.

Parsley

[bucket]

gust

I haven't heard of it but that the thing in all of this - it forces grain into the wrong places. There are farmers whether its where they deliver their grain , buy chemicals etc that think by working the program they are getting a better deal than their neighbor. In reality its taking from the neighbor and making a more disfunctional system. BUT if it makes sense and lets play devils advocate that the churchill program makes sense then a US catchment area would make just as much sense - right?

If grain wouldn't have had to been rail from churchill or montreal to vancouver and effectively doubling the freight costs out of the pool these program would make sense but when it happens and the freight is taken from the pool then some farmers are subsidizing other farmers.

This leads me to my next statement:

Until the cwb or its supporters want to start pooling expenses on everyone's farm leave my income alone.

[gustgd]

bucket you might get your wish.
Have you seen what round-up costs per litre at the True Value. Some of these garden plot farmers who have second and third jobs to pour into the farm seem to do business that way.

Most farms will have some bad years but if there is no expectation of ever making a profit....