Now What?

[mbratrud]

Re: CWB Free Market vs. Regulated.

It's easy to be critical in a falling Market, Last year had it not been for the CWB I would have had all my Durum sold for $9 or less... But having said that last year the CWB boasted on how well they did Marketing and how much money they made Farmers... Leaves me wondering if they will be bragging about how much money they will loose farmers this year... I can almost Guarantee that they have less than 20% New Crop sold as the carryout was nearly 20% Old Crop, they may have been a little deeper sold on Red Wheat.

All I know is 40% of my Farm is CWB Grains.
My Pulses are 100% sold, Oilseeds 75% sold and Feed Grains 100% sold. Malt and Wheat who knows but If I had Marketing choice it would be gone!

Rough waters ahead for the CWB I suspect!

[parsley]

The West paid:

"2008 -1664 2008 -09-05 AGRI-FOOD

Canadian Wheat Board Act

Order authorizes the payment by the CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD of $150,000 from the separate account to defray the capital costs of the Canadian International Grains Institute.
Attachments: 1 - OIC / DDC"

Wonder how much the Ontario Wheat Marketing Board paid in? Or the Quebec marketing Board?

I am just soooooooo petty.


Parsley

[katoe]

You could have locked in 11 dollar wheat in feb.deliverable today if you had cwrs.I dont watch durum.There are options.

[mbratrud]

Yes Katoe that is true, I won't argue that but have you ever had a 1CWRS fixed Price Cak and produced a feed under the current system? How did that work out for ya? Also I don't mind the Marketing options the CWB has just make them Year round and reflective of the Market... Something they will never do.

[Fransisco]

mbratrud don't sell your own marketing ability short. The final board price on durum was still $6.10 per bu. below their own overall crop year average selling price.

[TOM4CWB]

Chuckchuck;

ANSWER to your question...


"Will someone please explain why it is okay for the Conservatives to support supply managed monopoly marketing boards for dairy and poultry and at the same time say farmers must have marketing choice with western grains"

For your information... there was our first and only Conservative policy convention in Montreal.

The Conservative delegates voted to have the policy as you described it... Marketing Choice on CWB... Supply management support... and PM Harper is simply following the democratic will of those Conservative party policies that were past in Montreal.

Simple... Logical... Ethical... and PM Harper has promised to carry out the democratic will of the folks that elected him leader of the Conservative Party of Canada.

[mbratrud]

Fransisco - Refering to 07/08 Crop Yeat the CWB should be at $12.50 Farm Gate SE Sask, who knows though they may still find a way to lower that pro to $6.10

[chaffmeister]

mbratrud:

Please allow me to wade in on this comment from Fransisco - I'm familiar with what he's referring to.

The reference to $6.10/bu is NOT the farm gate pool return.

It is the amount the CWB pool return (to farmers) is BELOW the CWB's average selling/marketing price (to endusers).

In other words, if the CWB actually SOLD at crop year averages, your pool return would be $6.10 HIGHER.

So, you, in SE Sask. would be looking at a pool return of $18.60 instead of $12.50

[mbratrud]

OH yes pardon me for the confusion... gotta love the frugal ship called the CWB. It costs money to take orders!

[chuckChuck]

Same old rhetoric from most of the posts.

Still no one answered why supply management marketing board policies fit with Conservative freemarket party policies? It is highly inconsistent to support one but not the other. All the arguments about the performence of the CWB are irelevant to that question.

A few posts had the nerve to blame government regulation for the financial crisis. Apparently when things go bad corporate executives and their apologists have no responsibility! The freemarket rewarded highly risky investments.

Taxpayers bailing out the banks??? Sorry folks the freemarket has failed miserably in regulating itself and it is now time for governments to step in and pick up the pieces. It is lack of regulation and oversight that caused this mess and this will be followed by an era of more regulation.

[TOM4CWB]

chuckChuck;

'Still no one answered why supply management marketing board policies fit with Conservative freemarket party policies? It is highly inconsistent to support one but not the other."

ARE YOU BLIND?

THE CONSERVATIVES... AT NATIONAL POLICY CONVENTION... AS STATED ABOVE;

VOTED AND PAST THESE POLICIES OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF CANADA:

1. TO SUPPORT SUPPLY MANAGEMENT;

2. TO PROCEED WITH CWB 'MARKET CHOICE'.

DEMOCRATIC VOTES WERE HELD IN MONTREAL... AFTER DEBATE.

SIMPLE... WHAT DON'T YOU GET?

[chaffmeister]

chuckChuck:

you're choosing to avoid the obvious:

1. The majority of SM farmers "embrace" SM. They like it. It pays well. The Conservatives respect that.

2. The majority of Western Canadian farmers DON'T embrace the single desk of the CWB. They don't like it. It doesn't pay well. The Conservatives respect that.


Sometimes it's not philosophical. It's just a matter of respect.

Why would you say: "All the arguments about the performence of the CWB are irelevant to that question."

[Fransisco]

Chuck, if you are looking for philosophical and intellectual purity I would suggest that political parties are not the place to look for it.

But if you insist on it then maybe you should also be asking why it is that the NDP and the Liberals are not in favour of "nationalizing" the entire economy. It seems to me they are highly inconsistent as well.

[bluefargo]

Chaffmeister

Basically I agree with your 2 points.
It's a nice positive way to look at things.

But you have to admit that philisophically supply management doesn't fit well with the conservative party. I think the liberals support of SM was half hearted too. It is causing Canada a lot of embarrassment in trade negotiations. We look like hippocrites
which ofcourse we are.
The only reason the conservatives support SM is political expediency. No government dare risk the wrath of Ontario and Quebec voters by touching SM. Same for the previos liberal government.
The liberals traded off the western grain farmer in order to defend SM.
But it has come to the point there is nothing left to trade off.

Fortunately the consumer has not figured out what supply management costs them. That would complicate things for any government.

[chaffmeister]

bluefargo:

You're absolutely right.

Another, more cynical, way of spinning this apparent political dichotomy is to say:

1. The Conservatives support SM to gain political support in Quebec.

2. The Conservatives support marketing choice (a voluntary CWB) to gain political support in Western Canada.

Remember, one definition of politics is:

"to deal with people in an opportunistic, manipulative, or devious way".