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    Michael Ignatieff... 'Political Grandstanding?'

    "Why we expect that tomorrow won't be brighter
    By Dan Gardner, December 31, 2008 10:02 AM



    Michael Ignatieff is 61 years old. This is a significant fact in light of the Liberal leader's recent comments about the economic crisis. "This country is facing a very serious economic crisis," he said on CTV's Question Period. "It dwarfs anything we've seen, certainly in my lifetime." Really? Does the current crisis "dwarf" all others since the blessed day -- May 12, 1947 -- Michael Ignatieff was born? It "certainly" does, says Ignatieff.

    I say it doesn't. In fact, I think that statement is ludicrous. No, I am not accusing Ignatieff of dishonesty. I think he sincerely believes what he said, just as many others who have made similar statements believe they are true. I simply think he is wrong. In fact, I think he has fallen prey to a common foible of human thought. Psychologists call it "hindsight bias." First, to the facts.

    Does the economic crisis dwarf all others since the Second World War? I can think of no measure -- for Canada or the industrialized world -- that comes even close to supporting that conclusion. Negative growth? That's happening but what we're seeing so far isn't as severe as the recessions of the early 1990s and early 1980s. Unemployment? It's going up but it's still remarkably low. Inflation? Nope. Deflation? Not so far. And the most respected economic forecasts see nothing different in the future. The OECD even calls for Canadian unemployment to peak at 7.5 per cent, which is the lowest it ever got in the halcyon days of the 1990s.

    But still, you may say, the forecasters missed the crisis. Who's to say they won't be wrong again?

    There are so many ways things may turn out worse than expected. The American dollar may collapse. A deflationary spiral may set in. You name it. These awful things could even happen in sequence, one tumbling into another like falling dominoes. This is the stuff of catastrophe. Looking ahead into 2009 and beyond, it's hard not to feel a cold shiver. This is a legitimate concern. But fears based on what could happen in the future must be treated cautiously for several reasons. A critical one is rooted in psychology.

    The uncertainty of the future makes it a blank canvas. On that canvas, we may paint whatever we imagine. And at a time like this, when fears crowd the mind, our imaginations tend to conjure monsters. The past is entirely different because there's no uncertainty in it. We know what happened. Even if what happened was bad, we know life carried on and things got better. Of course, people living in the past didn't know how things would turn out because it was, for them, the present. When they looked ahead, they saw what we see now -- an uncertain future -- and they were just as prone to be frightened as we are at this moment.

    When we compare our current troubles with other times -- as Michael Ignatieff did -- we must factor in the uncertainty and fear experienced by people in the past. Otherwise, we're comparing apples -- apples that may or may not contain razor blades -- with oranges. But here's the kicker: Thanks to the cognitive illusion of "hindsight bias," it is extremely difficult to appreciate the uncertainty experienced by people in the past.

    Here is a simple question: How likely is it that there will be a federal election in 2009? Got an estimate? Good. Now, imagine it is Dec. 31, 2009 and I ask you to think back to the start of 2009. Back then, how likely did you think it was that there would be an election in 2009? Your two answers should match. But they almost certainly will not. Instead, they will deviate in a predictable way: If there actually was an election in 2009, your second answer will be higher than your first; if not, the second estimate will be considerably lower.

    I know this because psychologists have conducted many tests like this and the results are consistent: Knowing an outcome makes it seem much more likely than it does if we do not know it. That is "hindsight bias." "The effect of hindsight bias is to drain the uncertainty out of history," wrote a certain author in a fabulous book that will be available in an inexpensive paperback edition Jan. 20. "So here we are, standing in the present, peering into the frighteningly uncertain future and imagining all the awful things that could possibly happen. And when we look back? It looks so much more settled, so much more predictable. It doesn't look anything like this. Oh yes, these are scary times."

    This is how a smart man like Michael Ignatieff can be so very wrong about this economic crisis. The worst in his lifetime? In 1973, Michael Ignatieff was 26 years old. That year, the oil shock drained gas stations and crippled western economies. Through most of the 10 years that followed, things got steadily worse. By the early 1980s, unemployment was 12 per cent -- nearly double today's rate. Economies were pummelled by a combination of recession and inflation that defied conventional economics. Homeowners were crushed by mortgage rates of 20 per cent or more. By any measure, the economic conditions then were far worse than those we face today. And just as we, today, fear the future will be darker than the present, so we did then.

    No one knew 1983 would be a watershed. In fact, when people in that era looked to the future, what they saw scared them silly. "For the first time in the history of our country, a majority of people believe that the next five years will be worse than the past five years," President Jimmy Carter noted in his notorious "malaise" speech. "We've always had faith that the days of our children would be better than our own. Our people are losing that faith." The year was 1979. Carter's take on the public mood was all too accurate. A Gallup poll question that asked "are you satisfied with the way things are going in the United States" hit a record low -- 12 per cent -- that year. That bleak figure was matched in the depths of the recession of 1992. And again this summer. (In October, it dipped slightly to a dismal nine per cent.)

    Predictions about the future were uniformly grim. From The Population Bomb to The Limits to Growth, experts warned of resource shortages and massive famines. President Carter's address spoke specifically to fears that oil supplies were running out. "The energy crisis is real. It is worldwide. It is a clear and present danger to our nation," he declared. This was also the year of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which was followed by a steady escalation in superpower tensions and fears of nuclear war. The most talked-about television drama of 1983 was The Day After, a horrifying look at life in a small American town before and after the missiles fly.

    Of course, we know famine, shortages, depravation, war, and annihilation didn't happen. In fact, the 20 years after Jimmy Carter's depressing speech were far more peaceful and prosperous than even the rosiest optimist would have predicted in 1979. We know that. And knowing that makes it hard for us to feel the fear of the time -- and easy for us to falsely conclude that our troubles are the worst in the six decades of Michael Ignatieff's lifetime."

    Logical deduction... has fallen to a new level in Ottawa!

    #2
    dmlfarmer,

    The most important input to making 'good' marketing decisions... is understanding the market.

    I would think a minimum cost is now at least 3 hours a day... with DTN and a couple of good newsletters as input!

    Getting unbiased good information... is the biggest challenge... as clearly the 'regular' media is not here to give us solid economic information that can be used to make our decisions upon!

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      #3
      I am not sticking up for ignatawierdo,but that article sucked.

      If you could go back one year in time and say all the things that happened this year to all the talking pin head experts they would have thought you were a raving lunitic(something i can relate to).

      365 short days from now it will be obvious to everyone what is happening.

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        #4
        I agree...it was an attack on Iggy by someone with a bone to pick and who was clueless as well.

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          #5
          C.P./Wilagro, If you were doing business in the late 70's early 1980's... 2008-09 looks like a walk in the park.

          Then it was 20% interest... inflation through the roof... twice the unemployment... we have a VERY long way to go down... to get close to where we were then!

          This is looking like a 30 year cycle...

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            #6
            Tom i think you should give up trying to understand economics.

            Interest rates went to 20% because of inflation,the economy could just barely handle it.

            The baby boomers were in their prime,the amount of debt in the system was managable, things were different,we still had descent production bases.

            Then started the worst bear market for commodities.

            Now we have massive inflation,but interest rates cant be raised.

            Why?

            Unmanagable levels of debt everywhere.
            An upside down population pyramid.
            And a consumption based economy.

            Will the bond market drive interest rates higher?
            I doubt it,because just as i predicted a year ago,the government is now buying its own bonds with printed money,keeping yields low and interest rates down.Monetization of debt.
            What does this mean?
            Hyper-stagflation coming down the pipe.
            The usdx is fallimg into a dark hole.

            The catch of the situation is that the tough descisions that need to be made wont be because those descisions would kill our economy.

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              #7
              Ignateif sucks!!!!!

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                #8
                C.P.;

                'Tom i think you should give up trying to understand economics.'

                As someone who worked and lived through the 80's... I have a very good recall of what happened.

                Being 'humble'... is the key to any business... many folks on the farm... DID not make it. BANKRUPT. FCC finished them.

                Say what you like... C.P., I am not the smartest... and the many blessings our farm has received are appreciated greatly...

                Therefore I will try to do my best... to help those who ask... with this ole Conservative dirt farmer's logic!

                Sorry you don't like it...!

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                  #9
                  If your mamma's purse is even half as heavy as Tom$CWB's mamma's purse is, then go ahead and scold Tom4CWB about economics. lol Pars

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                    #10
                    Parsley,

                    The interesting part about 'economics'... is that value created through 'prosperity' is a matter of 'investing' in people and the future.

                    Productivity will create wealth on the long haul... no matter where it occurs.

                    Theft will unravel the productivity of past generations assets... which makes the analysis of the US incentive spending tougher to judge.

                    If currency is used to create constructive infrastructure... with long term value and productivity... then it is a smart investment when oil/construction material prices are low.

                    Where a society breaks down... is when folks lay back and say they 'have it made'... coast on past productivity... and steal from others to 'enjoy taking it easy'. Innovation that produces prosperity... conserves resources and increases efficiencies... is 'wealth' and the 'currency' of our next generation.

                    The 'gift that keeps on giving'... and true 'value'... is realised when we honour our next generation... by constructively working to make their lives better!

                    That has been the true value/heritage my mother/father have given me... and if we are intelligent... what we will pass along to our children!

                    This truly is; 'Faith', 'Hope', and 'Love'!

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                      #11
                      Falsehoods must be attacked and destroyed with extreme predjudice.

                      And if the size of a pocket book influences your descsion making process thats your clinically insane problem.

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                        #12
                        Perhaps Tom4CWB does know a little bit about economics,and markets, and marketing, and when to sell, and timing, and how much to sell, and how to price.
                        Just maybe that is why mamma's purse becomes heavy. Hard concept isn't it?

                        In the meantime, there are some folks who think they have a monopoly on linking research time, with facts, with conclusions, and ending up with THE only answer.

                        And experience. Yup. Y2Kers abounded. Goricals are currently stampeding.

                        Wisdom. It figures in the mix. Elusive word. Often linked with courtesy. Sigh. Pars

                        ps
                        One thing I know about Tom4CWB is that he is not a mean person. Read that sentence again.

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                          #13
                          And by the way, what I was saying was not what you decided I wrote, so I'll reverse your words so you'll think it was your idea, and post my thought again:

                          Good descision making processess can influence the size (how heavy) of Mamma's pocket book.
                          Pars

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                            #14
                            And i know how pleasant you are to people who have opposite cwb views.

                            If Tom wants to post an article thats FULL of b.s and then try and defend it he had better be ready for a strong handed rebuttal.

                            If anybody posts ridiculous stuff that is not true it should be shot down by people who know better,so other people dont start to believe the lie.

                            Think of hitlers germany here.

                            If that labels me mean in your eyes,so be it.

                            I mistaking thought everyone had excepted the economic shit storm as reality,but i was proven wrong on that point.

                            In the next year or so when you accept the new reality you might want to do a little research and see what the guys that seen it coming are now saying.

                            And if you see a pennyless bum on the street named Dan Gardner.give him the finger and say"cottonpicken sends his regards".

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                              #15
                              C.P.;


                              Time will tell... she has no favorites...!

                              Truth... Wisdom... Understanding!

                              "A foolish son is the heaviness of his mother..."

                              C.P.; I hope we do honour our mother and father... for in doing so... the true prosperity/heritage of our family/community is created...

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