If you guys really don't like the wheat borad that much???

[TOM4CWB]

Silverback,

You are frustrated. I understand. A Cabinet Minster must vet all actions through the Justice Dept. We know any action you prescribe would bring court action by the CWB.

Uncertainty to have multiple rulings against your solution by judges who have ruled against your request many times.

[dalek]

I think you've been one of the lonely ones Tom.
Somehow I doubt they'll name one of their ships after
you.

[wmoebis]

Tom, Don't take me wrong. I'm just asking here.

Do you think things would turn out different today under this gov't?

Was it poor timing given the politics at that time?

Will it be tried again using what you have learnt?

[TOM4CWB]

wmoebis,

Given the judges Chuck had to deal with... it was not a big surprise... IN HINDSIGHT!

I would have been with Silver 100%... but that Liberal Judges protect Goodales special status CWB public/private corp is no surprise.

Goodale did an excellent job of putting armour plating on the CWB Act... with much thought put into the control issues in governance. Since Goodale wrote the statute... he called the shots on interpretation.

Liberals gave the CWB its life and soul... so liberal judges will not let Conservatives change the CWB... without complete control of Parliament.

That is the way Goodale intended the CWB Act to be interpreted... it is written in stone... unless someone has the authority to demolish that stone foundation. Ask former Minister Charlie... and Chuck. If I were Minister Gerry... I would do exactly what he is doing... if no agreement with Goodale to change the CWB.

There is nothing more embarrassing and disappointing... to business and the nation... legally... than failure to execute judgement on an initiative like change to the CWB mandate!

The costs of failure are substantial and real... often hidden and never seen.

I know. Our farm has paid... I would bet so has Silver's!

[grassfarmer]

dalek, Truth hurts but thanks for pointing it out.

"Dave, reality is that, for all the complaining about the CWB, most prairie grain farmers don't have the backbone to actually do anything constructive
about it (with a few lonely exceptions). Point out that Ontario farmers actually stood up and told the
wheat board here to shove it and GOT THINGS DONE and they nod, and go back to whining for somebody ELSE to do the work to free them from the CWB.
Truth is, the whole myth about the independent westerner is just that, a myth."

I would say it applies equally to the beef sector and in fact to the whole political scene in Alberta....shrug the shoulders and do nothing seems to be the way of the west.

[Raven]

TOM4CWB
You state: "Liberals gave the CWB its life and soul... so liberal judges will not let Conservatives change the CWB... without complete control of Parliament."

But the unanimous Federal Court of Appeal States:

"[49] However, when these amendments were brought, subsection 18(1) was not only preserved but strengthened. Beyond subsection 3.12(2) which sets out the directors’ duty to comply with any direction given pursuant to subsection 18(1), subsection 18(1.2) was added to provide that compliance with a direction is “deemed” to be in the best interest of the Wheat Board.

[50] it becomes clear that subsection 18(1) was intended to provide the Governor in Council with the authority to direct the Wheat Board on any matter of governance"

So who is right? TOM4CWB or the Appeal Court endorsed by the Supreme Court?

[Fransisco]

dschill, you do have a point. But its not as easy as one might think. And to a certain extent has already been done a number of times to no avail.

Yes, as others have pointed out apathy rules supreme among western farmers right now. Most would rather work around the board when they have to and otherwise try to ignore it. The Board also has done a masterful job of insulating itself from farmer opinion, buying off the farm press and neutralizing the politicians who could actually do something about the problem.

The vast majority of the federal MP's out west are Conservatives who have promised change. They have been elected a number of times now and still have done nothing even though they have the ability to do all sorts of things. This is where the change must ultimately happen, with the feds in Ottawa. Our guys are already there, but they're sitting on their hands. Which is probably the most frustrating part of this whole mess.

[TOM4CWB]

"endorsed by the Supreme Court"

WHAT?

Where did you get the idea the Supreme Court endorsed this ruling?

The Supreme Court simply did not accept 'Leave to Appeal' in this case.

Just as it did not accept 'Leave to Appeal' in my case; or the Alberta Barley Commission case either.

The right to block the Canadian Wheat Board from spending on public advocacy for its single marketing desk for Prairie wheat and barley... ONLY that was ruled upon... and only by the Federal Court of Appeal.

It should be pointed out... that the CWB thumbs it's collective nose at that ruling every day on radio ads I hear at noon. Even the purchase of the two ships is about the 'single desk' monopoly... as the CWB is stealing money from the pooling accounts that it sells my PPO grain to.

It is obvious to me that just because the Supreme Court decides NOT to hear a case... does not mean more Court cases will be sought in different circumstances... Just as JOHN Husband, Myself, the Government of Canada in numerous cases...; and the Alberta Barley Commission: all lost against the CWB.

It was reinforced in concrete... by these rulings... that the monopoly itself cannot be broken by an order in council to CWB management. This is what you advocate... and the Supreme Court has ruled twice against this if you use your theory...

So then, in the converse, you could say specifically the 'Supreme Court ruled against the ending of the monopoly without Parliament changing the CWB Act.

Which is the interpretation most lawyers will tell you... if you care to ask!

If you challenge this... fine... you can... but you WILL end up in COurt.

Which was my point. Uncertainty and being in COurt both cost BIG time. Except CWB Directors and Managers... who do not personally pay the bill!

Which is why they thumb their nose at the Federal Court of Appeal ruling... and why I do not take them back to court!!!

Chairman Oberg/CWB Directors have no legal obligation... to be ethical or moral in their decisions... in their opinion.

The Ships prove this point... no doubt in my mind.

[bucket]

Fransisco

They are not sitting on their hands. Their hands are being used to pull their heads out of their asses.

[Fransisco]

Yes, that's another way of putting it bucket! LOL

[sumdumguy]

It would be interesting to see what would happen if the producers in Saskatchewan actually organized and started their own wheat board. I'd like to see if the current feds would support it - at least in principle.

To really be taken seriously, it seems that some effort needs to be put into firstly starting a new board and then selling the fact that it could work well. Just like the special crops market.

I don't think that the West has really put their heart and effort into a real challenge.

[bucket]

If mission terminal didn't have an interest in all the independant terminals and producer facility it might work. But these are now tied to the boat purchase.