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    Still waiting for chuckChuk's response

    Just though I would bring it back up to the top.


    chuckChuck:

    I know you asked Larry these questions, but I’d like to take a shot at them. (I’d
    also like your response to my questions about plagiarizing economists.)

    "When have you ever debated any of the economists I have mentioned in a
    detailed public forum?"

    Never – but I’m more than willing to.

    "Why would you expect me to explain the work of KFT, Gray, Schmitz?"

    Because if you're going to hold them up to some sort of gold standard, it only
    makes sense that you would know enough about them and their methodology
    and analysis to defend them. Otherwise you are showing your ideology –
    putting them out there as all-knowing oracles without anything to back your
    position except that you like their message.

    "All I need to do is read their conclusions."

    Really? Even when some of those conclusions are mine? (I wrote the 2004
    Sparks barley study – you know, the one Schmitz, Schmitz and Gray copied.)
    You still trust these guys knowing they cheat? With all due respect, what does
    that say about you?

    "Academics have to back up their work and defend their work in front of their
    peers."

    Wrong. Only if they are submitting their work to be published in their
    association’s journal – like the Canadian Journal of Agricultural Economics.
    Not one of the CWB-commissioned studies you refer to have ever been “peer-
    reviewed”. I think it was Andy Schmitz that said that peer review would be
    impossible because these "studies" deal with confidential information. So
    even the academics themselves confirm that their work is NOT peer-reviewed.

    "Where are your peer reviewed papers on the subject?"

    www.cwbmonitor.blogspot.com Not peer-reviewed as you see it, but all these
    analyses are completely open with data and information sources provided
    and discussion welcomed. And I often have academics contact me to discuss
    and give their thumbs up. I welcome any and all open debates.

    "What are your qualifications? Do you have Phd in Ag Econ?"

    Is that the only pre-requisite? Funny, the criticism aimed at me for what I write
    often comes with “Are you a farmer?”

    For the record - I am not a farmer nor do I have a PhD. I have a bachelor
    degree in agriculture (BSA) and a Masters in Business Administration (MBA)
    in Agri-business. Since we're sharing, what are your qualifications?

    "Do you not stand to benefit in an open market?"

    We all do – even you.

    "Supply management is part of ag. policy in this country. So is the CWB. What
    we have is an incoherant inconsistent ag policy in this country. Why is that not
    an issue worth discussing?"

    It is. I’m surprised you don’t think it is being discussed.

    "Why are their two classes of farmers, one protected by tarrifs and supply
    mangement and the rest of us. Why not bring back a domestic price for grains
    protected with tarrifs as well? If it increases dairy farm incomes why not for
    grains?"

    So, to be clear, you want to raise the cost of grain-based foods. I’ll ask all
    those single parents I know and those on fixed incomes how they feel about
    that.

    "So I take it you want GM wheat even when the majority of our customers don't
    want it? Why doesn't the US introduce GM wheat first? What are they waiting
    for? Did you learn anything from the flax fiasco?"

    About GM anything – why do you think the industry would go for GM wheat
    when customers don’t want it? I was at the board meeting of the Canola
    Council of Canada when Monsanto proposed a closed loop system to do field
    test trials for GM canola. This was at a time when no canola customers wanted
    it. The focus quickly went to who is liable if some errant GM canola seeds
    found their way into the commercial system. Monsanto didn’t have a good
    answer. The reaction by the CCC board was swift and “expressive”. Under no
    uncertain terms were they about to sanction these trials. I was sure glad I
    wasn’t that Monsanto rep. Only once canola customers agree to GM canola
    did we go there. Same would happen with wheat.

    #2
    I'm always reminded of the following quote from Andy Schmitz on the most recent barley study he and his son did for the CWB (See below). Internally it was not thought much of, yet I pushed to get it released to show how economics mean little to the day to day operations of a successful barley farmer. It uses the same basis of the economic theorem that was use to produce an internal wheat and durum study to which no one has publicly seen. BUT the group of 8 sure love to throw out 500 $ M a year in advantages of the single desk with out backing that up.
    Here also is the link to the barley study
    http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/library/publications/popups/pdf/barley_study_11.pdf

    comment by Schmtz in the Western Producer Feb. 10/11

    “I find these days that so many consultants partly give you the answer they want you to hear because they’re paid for part of the answer.

    http://www.producer.com/News/Article.aspx?aid=32038

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      #3
      Did the study come with or without an ivitation to the barn dance, Jeff?

      LOL...

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        #4
        I gave Andrew Schmitz this link about 3 years
        ago. Think he signs on every night?

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          #5
          Apologies for not reading the whole study. It appears to study the benefits of their system. But not the intangible costs to the industries evolution. Nor the real world 'other' system.
          Same reason doubleChuck can't answer.
          It is subconciously impossible for them to see a concept that doesn't fit their 'reality'.

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            #6
            Thanks Gregpet for bringing this up again. I completely forgot about it. But that's because I never get answers from those that support the single desk without facts. Used to be Vader - I called him Evader - and now its chuckChuck.

            Don't hold your breath - he's not likely going to answer. "Nothing to see here, folks. Just move along."

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              #7
              jdepape: Why do you think that CWB supporters should have to ANSWER to you anti-CWBers?

              We don't HAVE to answer to you EVER.

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                #8
                I agree Wilagro. You have no obligation to answer. Neither do I have an obligation to think as you see fit.

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                  #9
                  wilagro - you misunderstand. No one is saying you have to "answer to" anyone. (That's actually a plank out of the pro open market position.)

                  What we are talking about is this:

                  chuckChuck asked some questions.
                  I answered them.
                  A response from chuckChuck would have been seen as appropriate and in the spirit of good debate, welcomed.

                  Same goes to the umpteen times I asked Evader questions. and even though he would say, I'll get back to you on that, he never did.

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                    #10
                    Funny Willie you CWB pricks think that I am
                    obligated to do as you please against my will. If
                    you say that you retired 23 years ago yet still
                    want take people personal property away to suit
                    your political ideas . Which union pays your wage
                    anyways Butch .

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                      #11
                      The government of Canada created the CWB, I didn't. Take it up with them.

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                        #12
                        I plan on thanking them personally on Monday
                        for the freedom to sell my grain . You can sit by
                        your computer Willie and piss and moan about
                        the good old days when you could run off to NFU
                        meetings all winter and never have to worry
                        about doing a thing for your self .

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                          #13
                          Dpappe you never answered my question a while back. Who pays your salary?

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                            #14
                            I've already answered your question. If you
                            missed it, search AV archives. Pars

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                              #15
                              Like I said, Deppape YOU never answered my question.

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