Still waiting for chuckChuk's response

[FarmRanger]

Why does it matter who pays him? The CWB pays economists to come up with theoretical benefits that don't translate into the real world.

At least Mr. dePape shows numbers from the real world. Why do we never see anybody proving those wrong?

[Tom4Wildrose]

Notaredneck,

I answered that question as well, I paid John to work on this CWB marketing problem!

How many times must we repeat this???

[notaredneck]

I was just stating the fact that deppape
doesn't answer question directed to
himself. Maybe english isn't your first
language so I'll cut you guys some
slack. I would like to be able to debate
this with him (if he isn't to scared to)

[Tom4Wildrose]

Notaredneck,

I clearly and openly admitted I paid John to do the research he has done, and I do recall John; answering this question before.

What is there to debate? What could you extract from the troll comments you 'ask'... that would add any insight to this CWB issue?

The basis on PPO contracts the CWB just stole off our farm... will be enough to remind me for many years to come... how greedy Chairman Oberg and his 7 robots truly are.

At least Minister Ritz stopped Oberg from transfering this rip off extraction payment you just stole to the pool accounts! I am VERY satisfied that it remains in the Contingency Fund to be transfered into the new voluntary CWB you despise.

[notaredneck]

Wow Tom you really don't get it. Hes
calling out chuckchuck for not answering
a question I'm simply doing the same
thing. Depape makes his living off the
few dollars you paid him? Get real. You
people believe everything he says or
writes. The fact is that he hopes to
make money off "marketing" our wheat and
barley. Would he or someone like him be
as transparent as the board is to show
the exact cost of doing so. I don't
think so. I would call this a conflict
of interest. All his articles and
propoganda are for one purpose only. To
make money off our grain. Nothing else!

[silverback]

We will happily pay Mr. Depape to market grain for us if we CHOOSE to, and he willingly CHOOSES to do the same. We shall never again allow people like you to force farmers to pool their own grain together if they do not CHOOSE to!

Whoever can give our farm value that will allow us to maintain the life and values we believe in is worthy of support.

[jdepape]

Let me be clear - I will always answer questions directed to me about markets, grain handling, risk management, the CWB and so on, but I see nothing to gain answering questions directed to me about me. I'm really not that interesting; besides, I think I said enough in my answers to ChuckChuck.

I don't see who pays me as relevant. If people like what I'm saying, that's between them and me.

If I were to get back into grain marketing, it would be my CHOICE and only if I could add value to farmers - and only if they CHOOSE to work with me. Bottom line for me is where I can add value.

As for debating these issues, I'm all for it. That's why I answered chuckChuck's questions in the first place. Unless I'm mistaken notaredneck, you've only asked questions about me. Try me again on something more interesting.

[malta]

Wilagro said "The government created the CWB take it up with them". I appreciate the comment and have been taking it up with them for 25 years. We have now reached the point where we have a government that is recognizing we have freedom. The only reason the debate continues is that the CWB directors use my money to attempt to keep my freedom from me and supporters of the CWB like Wilagro and doublechuck want the government to keep my freedom from me. I thank the government for moving in the direction of individual liberty and will thank them again when the job is done.

[chuckChuck]

Depape I am back. You playin tag team with Weber?

You can ignore and discredit the work of the Ag economists I referred to. Do you also ignore the work of specialists in medicine, science, law and engineering? How do you think civilization and technology evolved to where we are today?

Whether or not the CWB studies are peer reviewed, all the authors I mentioned have had to publish in peer reviewed journals. You are primarily focused on one very political issue. Ag economists have done a whole lot more research on a wide variety of marketing and transportation issues than you have.

Every time I bring up Supply management all the counter arguments focus on how it is not the same as the CWB, not whether it is good or fair policy applied equally across the country.

"Why are their two classes of farmers, one protected by tarrifs and supply
mangement and the rest of us. Why not bring back a domestic price for grains
protected with tarrifs as well? If it increases dairy farm incomes why not for grains?"

You raised concerns about protection for domestic grain prices? So is it okay to raise the cost of grains through ethanol subsidies here and in the US? How much does the cost of raw grain impact final consumer prices? Very little. Canada already has some of the lowest price food basket costs in the world relative to disposable income. Concern about poverty is a legitimate concern. But expecting farmers to take low prices to fix poor public policy on poverty is ridiculous.

When have you ever posted your concerns about the level of poverty in Canada? Most conservatives freemarketers use the blame the victim approach when it comes to poverty and homelessness. For one of the wealthiest countries in the world, our record on child poverty is pretty bad.

"So I take it you want GM wheat even when the majority of our customers don't want it? Why doesn't the US introduce GM wheat first? What are they waiting for? Did you learn anything from the flax fiasco?"

I ask the question again, did you learn anything from the flax fiasco? The flax industry clearly told the CDC and the flax breeder promoting Triffid to stop. But it was too late wasn't it. Contamination occurred at the breeder level. Wheat trials have already been done in some cases. Are you prepared to have the seed industry promoting and selling GM wheat cover all the financial losses in market share for all farmers?

With all the trade challenges to wheat in the US why was it never proven that the CWB was dumping? If the core of your argument is that the CWB is selling at lower prices why was this never brought to light in the US market?
The obvious answer is that it never happened.

[gregpet]

Pretty weak chuck, a typical non answer but redirect and deflect. Will still be waiting for an actual
response.

You talk about equality yet I have never heard the CWB wanting their monopsony control to spread to all
Canadain farms? Again, supply management is just that, they manage their supply. The CWB is no where
close to supply management. Time to realize the CWB is changing and the crazy 8 directors should listen
to the employees that are preparing for change instead of burning bridges.

[gregpet]

Also chuck a peer reviewed study and a simple study paid for by the CWB are not the same. Peer reviewed
means their facts were scrutinized. The CWB studies were not scrutinized. Think that matters. Funny how you
worry about the poor and yet claim the CWb sells for a premium. Isn't that a contradiction?

[lakenheath]

chuckchuck is living proof that a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. He has been exposed to left-wing propaganda and is now trying to apply this wealth of information to the real world. It is hard to comprehend how foolish he speaks.

Typically this type of thing works. You study, become exposed, research, question and then apply your knowledge.

But when you study false information, emerse yourself with fear mongers, completely skip the research and questioning part, then you get the kind of information posted by chuckchuck and his type.

p.s.

Stewart Wells, the 1950's called and they would like their ideologies back.

[chuckChuck]

lakenheath. Your hilarious rhetoric is hardly worth responding to.

When you are talking about the 1950s are you talking about supply management for dairy and poultry? State protected, supply management, cost of production formulas. Sounds like a command economy like the former soviet union to me. All supported by your beloved Conservatives. You must be a commie if you voted Con! LOL

[jdepape]

chuckChuck:

I discredit work that deserves to be discredited. I surely hope you agree that when an academic steals (plagiarizes) the work of someone else, that act itself discredits the academic. The fact that you still defend them as credible even after knowing that they cheat is amazing to me.

Agreed – “ag economists have done a whole lot more research on a wide variety of marketing and transportation issues” than I have. In that same vein, I have done a whole lot more “actual” hands-on grain marketing than they have. Reality trumps theory every time.

Concern over raising the cost of grain-based foods to consumers (which is what I talked about) is not at all the same things as concern about domestic grain prices (to farmers). A more efficient system than what we have now will lower the price to end-users and raise the price to farmers.

“With all the trade challenges to wheat in the US why was it never proven that the CWB was dumping? If the core of your argument is that the CWB is selling at lower prices why was this never brought to light in the US market?”

More blind ideology. Arguing that the CWB does not get premiums (my argument) is not the same as saying the CWB gets “lower prices” (although I know that they often do). The CWB system is bloated and inefficient. It needs to get premiums just to pay for its inefficiency – and that doesn’t happen.

Premiums reported by the CWB – about $6.00 a tonne.

Marketing costs reported by the CWB – about $10.50 a tonne.

Other inefficiencies (there are plenty) – put a number on it. You don’t need an economist to do the math for you.

Using these <b>real</b> numbers - and any other <b>real</b> numbers you want to use - please tell me how you see the CWB adding to your profitability?

[generaleyes]

chukChuk is the only one on this thread that seems to have a good argument and the only one that is of any interest to read. And I don't even agree with him/her!! Thank you chukChuk!