What ever happened to that thing where us farmers put our yields of different crops into a listing a

[furrowtickler]

You bring up a very good point hopper. We need to do this.
S/F, did you not grow L150 this year??? After you knew this ???

[furrowtickler]

We did a variety of tests, with a weigh wagon, on seeding dates, fert with same and diff varieties the last 7 years. Interesting stuff to say the least. This year high fet rate with early seeding and low fert rates late seeding = same result. Mid fertility seeded mid may with proper deseases control won hands down 3 years in a row. Disease absolutely spanked certain varieties this year on earlier seeded crops not sprayed. Two years ago the opposite occured. We found that seeding mid may with mid-high fert rates for this area gives a 80% better chance of the highest return than early seeding and/or later seeding.
As for varieties, L130 is very good, 45H31 very good, 46H75 very good. Dekalb very weak legged, except 74-44.
Cantera varieties do o.k.
45H29 yeilds well, leans but hard to harvest at times.
73-45 is only good if no disease
Nex 500 stands well but thats about it.
The scerotina Pioneer varieties works as adveritised, but lean a bit.
5440 is solid, easy harvestability
The rest of the Nex varieties are way too late, lower yield regardless of premium-for this area.
At the end of the day it depends on your crop rotation and herb rotation as to what works for you and your area.
This year in this area 46H75 kicked everything - hands down - but a clearfeild variety that does not work for everyone. It has done well the last three years I seen it and BASF new chem Aries was by far the best canola herb we ever used- but not for everyone in every area - every farm.
Liberty was a wreck - full of cleavers
R/R was good if sprayed twice at the right time.
Clearfield was clean regardless - again not for everyone.
We seen 45S52 - slero res, with 10-20% infection in pea stb fields seeded before may 15th with a 3 year wht/pea/can rotations and 45S52 with 0 % infection in a 4 yr rotation seeded same time. Both fields had Dekalb and Liberty with 50% and 30% sclro infection repectively.
Just some tid bits for you....

[wd9]

Furrow, you always seem to post the
tidbits. How about some actual plot data,
from the same plot, seeded the same day,
all treated the same way, harvested and
weighed the same day? It doesn't matter
what the crop looks like, it matters how
it yields.

You show yours. I'll show mine.

[malleefarmer]

Don't you guys have independant variety trial
conducted in every farming zone.
What does yor research levy money taken from
each tonne of grain get spent on? Or you have no
research levies taken out.
We have grdc levy grain research development
corporation which does a multitude of stuff for
farmers without multinational and seed breeding
companies and chem companies sticking there
nose in. Some of the trials here really upset seed
companies at times cause there froth and bubble
claims are sometimes exposed.

[riders2010]

The problem with the plots is that they are such small area that if one plot has a bit of a lower area and it is wet for example the yield is very skewed, seen it many times. The plots would be much more reliable if done in 20 or 40 acre segments imho.

[SASKFARMER3]

WD your plot idea is BS. Full quarters
etc. Or sections etc. After having L150
as a test bags, back then full quarter
then 1500 acres. L150 is done on our
farm. Yes I added each year but last
spring could have done whole farm choose
to plant 1500 or half to 5440.Would have
done more but had trouble getting seed.
So settled for half L150. Well that
settling cost me Hundreds of thousands
of dollars. Yet the local Test plot had
it doing ok. Its one swipe up a field.
DAH!

[wd9]

Riders, SF3, you are thinking like an
emotional farmer, not a statistician.

The actual fact is, and the data
conclusively shows it, the varieties are
so close, it almost doesn't matter what
variety you grow of the top varietes.

While you can have an opinion and say
plot data doesn't work, it doesn't make
it true. SF3, saying you need 1500 acres
of a variety to determine yield is like
saying you need a 10,000 bushel bin to
hold your wheat sample. A 5 gallon pail
will be statistically as accurate.

Many of the plots cover at least 20 to
30 acres. Then take 70 plots and you get
a pretty good idea. Unfortunately there
is very little comparison between the L
series and 5440. I'm not sure if the
Viking Colony plot, which covered an
entire flat quarter section btw, had the
two in. I will find out, its a really
good plot with great data.

5440 is a good variety, data shows it
is. But so is 7444, and L130, and H29.
Each will shine in an area slightly
better than the next in different years.
I'm guessing SF3 you never actually put
the work in on your farm and did a
replicated plot on your favourites like
the L130, 150, h29 and 7444. Of course
if you actually did, and did it right,
this conversation would be very
different. But you didn't. You just have
opinions and not data. But isn't that
waaaaay easier to whine that way? I
know, you don't have 'time' to spend a
couple hours doing a science based
replicated plot that will actually give
you data to work with. Opinions are way
more accurate. There is a reason all the
ag bs has gone to testimonials, you
don't need actual data anymore, just
some farmer blabbing how wonderful the
product is. Absolute crap.

On my farm both the L130 and 7345 ran
low 50's. Plot data confirmed the field
results and were the same.

I also did a 7 time replicated ESN
trial. VERY interesting considering we
had rain every 2 days you would have
thought the outcome would have been
different.

Furrow, how about that data?

[saskcanfarmer]

Furrow - Not going to debate your findings too much. 73-45 did very well on our farm and in our area this year. Stood well which was amazing. Might even grow some next year. Just curious....You sell Pioneer seed and not Dekalb right? I remember you saying that in years past but maybe I am wrong. It generally seems that retailers pump what they sell and put down the other one. Just human nature really.

[dave4441]

You nailed it wd9. I was told once that you
require 50 large scale farmer test plots before you
take the natural field variabilities out of the data.
replicated trials over a number of site yrs are the
only way accurate results can really be obtained.
Take 320 acres and split it in half, treat the same
and you will still have a yield advantage on one
side if the field.

[SASKFARMER3]

WD 40 your guessing I didnt put the work
in and checked. DAH Scale weigh wagon
yield monitors GPS etc. Field drainage
etc. L150 is a dud! like your BS.