What ever happened to that thing where us farmers put our yields of different crops into a listing a

[SASKFARMER3]

WD your plot idea is BS. Full quarters
etc. Or sections etc. After having L150
as a test bags, back then full quarter
then 1500 acres. L150 is done on our
farm. Yes I added each year but last
spring could have done whole farm choose
to plant 1500 or half to 5440.Would have
done more but had trouble getting seed.
So settled for half L150. Well that
settling cost me Hundreds of thousands
of dollars. Yet the local Test plot had
it doing ok. Its one swipe up a field.
DAH!

[wd9]

Riders, SF3, you are thinking like an
emotional farmer, not a statistician.

The actual fact is, and the data
conclusively shows it, the varieties are
so close, it almost doesn't matter what
variety you grow of the top varietes.

While you can have an opinion and say
plot data doesn't work, it doesn't make
it true. SF3, saying you need 1500 acres
of a variety to determine yield is like
saying you need a 10,000 bushel bin to
hold your wheat sample. A 5 gallon pail
will be statistically as accurate.

Many of the plots cover at least 20 to
30 acres. Then take 70 plots and you get
a pretty good idea. Unfortunately there
is very little comparison between the L
series and 5440. I'm not sure if the
Viking Colony plot, which covered an
entire flat quarter section btw, had the
two in. I will find out, its a really
good plot with great data.

5440 is a good variety, data shows it
is. But so is 7444, and L130, and H29.
Each will shine in an area slightly
better than the next in different years.
I'm guessing SF3 you never actually put
the work in on your farm and did a
replicated plot on your favourites like
the L130, 150, h29 and 7444. Of course
if you actually did, and did it right,
this conversation would be very
different. But you didn't. You just have
opinions and not data. But isn't that
waaaaay easier to whine that way? I
know, you don't have 'time' to spend a
couple hours doing a science based
replicated plot that will actually give
you data to work with. Opinions are way
more accurate. There is a reason all the
ag bs has gone to testimonials, you
don't need actual data anymore, just
some farmer blabbing how wonderful the
product is. Absolute crap.

On my farm both the L130 and 7345 ran
low 50's. Plot data confirmed the field
results and were the same.

I also did a 7 time replicated ESN
trial. VERY interesting considering we
had rain every 2 days you would have
thought the outcome would have been
different.

Furrow, how about that data?

[saskcanfarmer]

Furrow - Not going to debate your findings too much. 73-45 did very well on our farm and in our area this year. Stood well which was amazing. Might even grow some next year. Just curious....You sell Pioneer seed and not Dekalb right? I remember you saying that in years past but maybe I am wrong. It generally seems that retailers pump what they sell and put down the other one. Just human nature really.

[dave4441]

You nailed it wd9. I was told once that you
require 50 large scale farmer test plots before you
take the natural field variabilities out of the data.
replicated trials over a number of site yrs are the
only way accurate results can really be obtained.
Take 320 acres and split it in half, treat the same
and you will still have a yield advantage on one
side if the field.

[SASKFARMER3]

WD 40 your guessing I didnt put the work
in and checked. DAH Scale weigh wagon
yield monitors GPS etc. Field drainage
etc. L150 is a dud! like your BS.

[furrowtickler]

Just know what I see, re-read the earlier post, there are positive and negatives about most varieties. Find what works for you.
WD i could spend hrs typing all kinds of data, in general over the past three years that is what we found.

[vvalk]

Wd9. Do you mind telling us what you found in
your esn trial? I have always kick around the idea
of blending some esn into our urea.
Thanks

[riders2010]

Trust me I do get emotional when I seed a field and need a bag more of seed and get another top end variety and it outshines the other 150 acres by a mile I am emotional. They are not the same.

[TOM4CWB]

SF3,

I don't think the issue about L150 being less than stellar in performance is the issue.

How it made it to so many growers' farms on a large acreage is.

That is the message I get from WD9... I find it tough to argue with his test methods!

Cheers!

[Burbert]

Lying and cheating, drive Angribusiness.
Talk to a seed farm, see ifn they ly to
ya, fer example. Theys always selling ya
magic beans ta grow, each and every year.

[cottonpicken]

5440 is sold out.

[TOM4CWB]

Burbert,

You bought seed from every pedigreed seed grower... and know for a fact all tell misrepresent what they sell?

I call your bluff. When did you last buy pedigreed seed from our farm; and had us misrepresent our pedigreed seed on the sale to you?

[saskcanfarmer]

Furrow - I wasn't trying to undermind you. I know you are a credible guy who does an outstanding job and small and big scale test plots. I commend you for that. Always great info. Just wanted to hear your answer thats all. Looking at doing some V12-1 from Cargill and a ariety or two of Pioneer. Did you have any V12 in your plots?

[rhoff]

How many plots does it take to make 3000 acres?
2700 L150 average was 40
320 5440 was 49

L150 has poor harvestability cause it grew 6'tall
and laid down. Next year will be 5440 and L120.

[SASKFARMER3]

Rhoff tHanks that's how I do a plot. 5440 is way
better.