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[freewheat]

Hey Kevin,

A question regarding the net of beans
vs. canola. To recover the 100 to 120
dollars an acre given up in yield of
canola vs. beans, I would like some more
firm numbers. IE. Where do they come
from?

110 N = 70
25 P = 20
10 S = 6

chem. 5
seed 50

Cost for canola is around 150??

Beans are 100 bucksish?

Yiled 36 canola vs. 28 beans?

8 bu. at $14 is 112 difference?

112-60 = 52?

Where else is the 52 dollars made up to
have beans net more???

If guys get serious here, they will
probably want to buy a planter, a flex
head (granted some may have already) for
only the one crop. This must be costed
out as well.

Just wondering how you work your math?
Not being dumb, or trying not to, lol,
but I am obviously missing something
maybe? Beans worth that much more?
pencilling in fungicide?

TIA!

[freewheat]

And that is for 28 beans too, I have heard
of lots of 20, lots of 12, lots of 15 as
well.

[fasf]

Over the 10 years growing beans, the average price would be closer to $10 for both canola and soybeans.

Canola cost $175 (we use Liberty added $20 to your chem price, for RR need to add $17/ac for TUA)
Soybean Cost is $125 (2 passes glyphosate)

Swathing canola vs. soybean rolling - add extra $3/ac on canola
Fungicide on canola. Add at least $15/acre
We use a 7-35-35-0 blend on our canola, so add $8 for P, $15 for K. Now canola is $216/acre.

On average, we are seeing 30-40 pounds of N fixed for the next year's crop from soybeans. Do you add that to soybeans or to the next crop? This year, we never bought any N. From tissue tests we were adequate, and actually higher yielding than the local average. The fact that we are not as rushed in the spring (soybeans are seeded last). Crop scouting on canola - at what cost? Dockage on beans is rarely over 1%. No grading issues (allowed 5% greens and 15% cracks).

You don't need a planter. Any seeder works. Lots of airseeder seeded acres through North America. Corn, you need a planter. Soybeans, not needed.

Given variety selection, agronomic advise, climatic conditions, yes there are 20's, teens. I will guarantee there are more acres of the same yields of canola out there this year. Soybeans will cover costs this year at 9 bushels per acre. Total costs at 16 bu/acre (quick number). Most canola fields needs 14 bushels per acre to cover cash costs.

There are my numbers. Once again, every farm/area is different. With any new crop, it has to fit your management or cropping practices. For us, canola is a cash pig (sometimes a cow), and too risky, and we are in a fairly productive area. We are replacing those acres with cover crops so we can get our winter triticale on time. Done the numbers on that and they work. When adding a new crop into rotation, it is not to replace the highest netting crop, it is strengthing your bottom line.

[freewheat]

Thanks Kevin, good explanation. You are a
convincing fella, alright!

[fasf]

I'm not trying to talk anyone into anything. Just want people to have honest information to make proper decisions.

Like I said before, there is ugly information and advise out there from people from "soybean" growing areas. Relevant for there, not here. Like double rates of granular, started here. Seed companies are so anxious to get an early maturing variety, they are calling their varieties early. By them calling them early doesn't make them early. Especially when you move them out of Manitoba. We strive for repeat customers and providing honest information. Line companies.... do I won't go there.