Here's How Bill 2 Will Work

[ASRG]

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How will Bill 2, the Responsible Energy Developement Act, Affect You?

Okay, I understand how people just get a head ache trying to understand all the legalize written in to a major piece of legislation like Bill 2? Like who in their right mind wants to plow through all that stuff?

So what will it mean to you on the ground?

This is how I see it. I think this is a pretty acurate take on what it will be like?

Your friendly oil company landman phones and says they want to put a well and a pipeline on your land. You say okay. The company surveys the lease and right of way and a few days later the landman comes to see you.

He says heres what were paying and this is where we want to do it.

You don't really like the position of the lease road and say "well that might not work so good for me, because I'll have to bounce equipment over it"?

He says "Well that is where it is cheapest for us and that is where it is going."

Looking further down the offer you say "You are pretty low on your loss of use? I can show you I've made more money on that land......and this adverse effect price is lower than I got on a lease last year?"

He says "Well that's all I can pay. If you don't like it you can ask for a review from the new Alberta Energy regulator."

Okay.....so nothing is settled. You jump through the hoops and ask the Alberta Energy Regulator for a review. The regulator says no..........what now? Well you can appeal to the regulator to have another look at his "no" answer.

The regulator says okay, that is your right.......... ten minutes later they get back to you and say: we looked at it and decided "no" was the right answer!

So now you are kind of miffed and say okay I'll take it to the Alberta Court of Appeal? You go see a lawyer and he tells you "Sorry, under bill 2 you can't appeal to the court!"

About now you are starting to get the picture?

The next day the landman shows up with a right of entry order and says get your cows out of that field, the cats are coming tommorrow! Here's your check. Oh and by the way........here's another 50 bucks for the water in your dug out......we're going to need it for our drilling fluid.....here's the water permit from the regulator! Have a nice day!



You sit there and wonder how in the hell can this happen? How could my PC MLA have voted for this kind of crap?

.......and then you remember.....Oh yea......I voted for that clown!


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[cottonpicken]

You might like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryD5lqRM-Tw

Skip up to 23.00 if you don't have time.

[checking]

Alright.

Let's back up a step to where the landman says "a oil company wants to survey a well site and pipeline route on your land, and you say "No, we've got things to discuss and settle face to face before any survey is done on my land. Oh, and by the way, when you come to visit, bring an oil company executive with you who can make a decision before you leave my yard."

What's the landman going to do next?

[makar]

Surveys cant be stopped. All they have to do is make one attempt to contact the landowner. Always this way.

[checking]

ASRG.

Is that correct that a telephone call from a landman is all that it takes to say that a survey is going to be completed on your property?

[ColevilleH2S]

The issue I have with surveyors is that they never remove their #####n stakes when they are done with them. ###k that #####s me off.

I already get enough exercise, I don't need to take long walks, picking stakes half way through spraying or combining a field.

[farmaholic]

Coleville: I would like them all gone too but other than an eye sore they really don't do any damage. Think of them as organic matter. Just kidding, they weren't there before they surveyed and shouldn't be when they are done the project either.

[tstep]

Ive done this a couple times now for seismic and for a gas well. Right on the contract is written that for every piece of garbage I find after they leave it will be 25 dollars. Haha. And they have paid it. That way what wasn't there before should not be there after.

[GreenValley]

ASRG, have you forgotton, ERCB is your best friend. And always will. It is long story but to make short, he told them Oil Company (really big company), that well can be drill at any place because of new technology like special bit target driven that can drill any place, he said to Oil Company, and told them to move at my wish. They lost and indeed move to any where as I wish. I has other case, but other story and ERCB does good job.

[ASRG]

checking: yes. You can't keep the surveyors out.
Green Valley:
Glad you're happy with the ERCB! All the staff at the ERCB will be going over to the new "super regulator" by June 2013.
I have never said there aren't some good people working for the ERCB or Alberta Environment.
The field staff do a good job, considering how under staffed they are. The problem is the big shots in the head office.

[makar]

ARSG, will there be much in changes in regards to reclaiming abandoned leases? This will and is a big issue in my area and i am facing one now. As i understand it if the crop is 80% of the field good enough now, will it get worse? I have a running battle on a dry lease since 2005.

[ASRG]

makar: I don't know. The regulations for Bill 2 haven't been written yet...this is just about policy so far. The regulations will be written by the new "Alberta Energy Regulator" over the next several months.
A researcher from the U of A, Ty Faeschner was doing some work on reduced yields on reclaimed well leases and pipeline right of ways. He was finding losses from 10% to 30%, some as late as 20 years after reclamation.
Alberta Agriculture cut his funding when his research started to get a lot of attention from farmers.

[checking]

I didn't say that a survey could be stopped, and it wasn't the question.

Not to split hairs, but why in your post example did you specify that the landowner said okay to the survey if it means bugger all whether he says anything, at any time?

You're leaving the perception that an oil company could level anyone's farmyard to spud a well if it was cheaper to do that for an oil company, and even if it wasn't cheaper, but convenient to do so.

If that's truly the Alberta way, you can keep it.

[Burbert]

When the land man calls and tells you what
theys gonna do. Suggest that their
employees wear bullet proof vest, cousin
theys steppin on yer new rifle range.
They will need the vests, helmets, apcs
etc to do their work safely!!!!!!

[GreenValley]

ASRG, really As of June 2013 ERCB going
hand over to super regulator. Does mean
instructions handbook or by signing ERCB
agreement saying that I grant permission
oil company process drilling on my land,
will remove? After big company shot by
ERCB saying move to anywhere, my guess
news is flying that company is shot
down. Later on I has other 4 new wells,
but phone us to arrange meeting them
like road construction foreman, suryor
and myself to discuss where wellsite
will be place. And one of company say
anywhere u wish pick location. So I
assume these company trying to be polite
with me. I don't know that company or
oil company want change to remove ERCB
so they can bully us. It like David shot
Goliath. And I am one of David. Lol.
After June 2013, like u said somewhat
worry me.