Prayers and Thoughts for families

[BTO_farmall]

There He Go, Its John Doe, And He's Still Dealin Blow, Thats John Doe!!!!!! Is it Just Me er Does anyone else notice all These Mass Shootings happen in All Blue States?????? Hmmmm?????? I fer one can't wait till The Big Zero is Layed Out, This Gun Comes with 8 Clips, Shoot till Theys Run out of It!!!!!!!!


"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."

-- Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861


"The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the "high powers" delegated directly to the citizen, and `is excepted out of the general powers of government.' A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power." [Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394, at 401-402 (1859)]


"...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)


"When the people fear their government there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." – Thomas Jefferson


"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.


"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to his nephew Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.



"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements)."
--Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution with (his note added), 1776. Papers, 1:353


"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).

[blackpowder]

'Gun control' blizzards are inevitable
but misguided.
In this case they were legally owned
by the mother.
This tragedy could have happened with
something less easy but just as fast.
A gopher gun, machete, chainsaw
whatever.
A drunken schoolbus driver would have
made far less headlines.
How culpable is the mother, knowing
her son was unstable??
And short sighted 'control' freaks
never mention the real cause. MENTAL
ILLNESS!
Our society denies it's existence
until it's catastrophic. My heart goes
out to all families affected by it, as
most are not equipped to deal with it.
BTW I notice few of these tragedies
happen in Texas. And yes my children
will be taught the safe and responsible
use of these tools.

[rockpile]

BTO - small dick, big gun= makes you feel
powerful. All your quotes are from a century or
more ago, have we not evolved somewhat?
Blackpowder, you nailed it. Our system is built
around retribution and revenge, not prevention.
Building more prisons will not solve the primary
problems at all. And the solution is a tough one.
And there is no doubt that gun ownership in the US
is out of control. 300 million weapons owned, you
can go in a gun store and buy an automatic assault
rifle. To hunt deer? Give me a break. Tom is right,
there is something missing from our social fabric.
Wrath of God? Maybe for some. But self respect and
a respect for the life of others even more so. This
poor soul set out to commit suicide, but for some
reason chose to make a big show of it and lash out
and hurt as many as he could. Knowing that could
be a starting point at prevention. LEARN TO GET
HELP...

[farmaholic]

Rockpile: you make a point I've been
thinking about myself. Why do civilians
need military assault rifles? I am not
a proponent of the gun registry or
outright gun control, but when it comes
to hand guns or military assault rifles,
why??? I could even live with the
registration of hand guns but military
assault rifles are off limits. And I
suppose you're all right, when it comes
to criminals and the mentally ill no law
will prevent their actions.

[blackpowder]

As I understand it the Bushmaster was left in his
car. Not the point I know. Civilian versions of true
"assault" weapons can in no way be safely or legally
modified for select fire. In Canada 5 round mags are
the legal max size. "Assault" in appearance only. A
handy misnomer.
My 70 year old Garand however, is legal with its 8
round en bloc clip. Twice the cartridge size. Full
wood stock, looks harmless right?

[blackpowder]

As I understand it the Bushmaster was left in his
car. Not the point I know. Civilian versions of true
"assault" weapons can in no way be safely or legally
modified for select fire. In Canada 5 round mags are
the legal max size. "Assault" in appearance only. A
handy misnomer.
My 70 year old Garand however, is legal with its 8
round en bloc clip. Twice the cartridge size. Full
wood stock, looks harmless right?

[hedgehog]

killing on computer games from a young age has a lot to answer for.

[blackpowder]

Agreed. Only in the last 30 years can
children live in a fantasy world several
hours a day, spending their time killing.
The original intent of this post was to
pray for the children. We must remember to
do the right thing by our own as well.

[TOM4CWB]

And the millions of babies aborted every year ... who
defends them? Western 'Higher Education' Left wing
nuts would kill both old and young to 'save' our planet.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

If we keep this up... the majority of the next
generation will come from Africa, Asia, and the
South/Central American countries that value the
miracle of life.

Big changes coming in the next 50 years of who will
control world government and global resources. UN 21
is ready to rule.

[Kodiak]

**I found this on another site. I cut and pasted it here for your reading. It's powerful, and we would all do well to heed the message** Kodiak

Mr. Darrell Scott, the father of a victim of the Columbine shootings, delivered this stirring testimony before Congress.

Mr. Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's sub-committee.

What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful. They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert!

These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers." "The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field.

The villain was not the club he used. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart. "In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA.

I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent."

"I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy-it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room.

Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. "I wrote a poem that expresses my feelings best. This was written way before I knew I would be speaking here today:"

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"

You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, soul, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and reek havoc. Spiritual influences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact.

What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties.

We do not need more restrictive laws." Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

Political posturing and restrictive legislation are not the answers. The young people of our nation hold the key. There is a spiritual awakening taking place that will not be squelched! We do not need more religion. We do not need more gaudy television evangelists spewing out verbal religious garbage. We do not need more million dollar church buildings built while people with basic needs are being ignored.

We do need a change of heart and a humble acknowledgment that this nation was founded on the principle of simple trust in God!" "As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, He did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right!

I challenge every young person in America, and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA- I give to you a sincere challenge.

Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone! My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"

Do what the media did not... let the nation hear this man's speech.