Plant Breeders' Rights

[Rareearth]

World record wheat yield is 223 bushels per acre
or (15.015 t/ha). Set in 2003 New Zealand.

Seems the technology of the last 10 years hasn't
been enough to top the record.

[bgmb]

Wd9, forget about the USA they dont look at us
and say geez maybe we should do what canada
is doing look how great it is. American wheat
varities are nothing special.

Fact is we as farmers need to question who is
pushing for this change and who is guaranteed to
profit from it. Answers to those questions are very
obvious.

[wd9]

Western Barley growers do, at least so
says their media position. Most groups
if you look deep in policy support
protection of intellectual property and
that would include upov 91.

What makes you think Canada would be any
different then the US in terms of
royalty and business? End use royalties
would be a hard push i would think here
in Canada. We are not like Australia who
use it to fund so many things and are
quite used to it.

[bgmb]

I would not be opposed to .50 cents a tonne into a
public breeding program. Better than what the
canola growers do with the dollar they take off
every canola

[rockpile]

Too late - the horse has left the barn! And the
pitchfork in the corner is for you.

[gustgd]

I support the UPOV treaty. I wish it would have
been implemented back in 91 while we still had a
strong public program.

As it is the federal government has announced
that it will not be finishing varieties past I think the
F5 stage. As I understand F8 is a finished variety.

There is a 50 million dollar loss in varietal
research in Canada per year. With the taxpayer
backing away, where do you want your varieties
to come from? Whomever said they would
contribute .50c/tonne is likely sort by a couple
bucks.

Another piece negotiated into UPOV is that they
can only collect one time. Front end on seed sales
or back end on a royalty. I would suspect that
Canada will follow the Aussie example where
brown bagged is the answer and you pay on a
successful harvest.

The key will be more competition where many
companies go head to head in breeding and try to
win your business.

[bucket]

And charging the shit out of farmers for
varieties that are not accepted in
importing countries or fail miserably.

Starlink and the latest syngenta corn
come to mind and a flax variety named
triffid.

Farmers picked up the tab.

Real win win.

[gustgd]

Should also point out that public, university, and
even grower owned would also be eligible to
collect royalties on successful programs.

In essence if we think that it's easy to bring
smoking better to market here is a way to put our
money where mouth is.

The Limagrain Co-op out of France is an example
of a farmer owned program that is now one of the
worlds biggest.

Will the Aussies have varieties that are more
suited to our climate than theirs?

Russians?
Polish Hybrids?
Lots of American varieties grown IP in Mb.

I'll ask those looking for the old cereals, why did
you stop growing. Most were not deregistered?

[SASKFARMER3]

In canola their gone!
Does the UofS get money from Monsanto and
bayer for canola?
Hrs we will loose all control and the one crop that
makes will be gone!

[checking]

Oh joys! I can see lots of lab test bills going out to farmers to prove their old varieties should not have an end point royalty attached. I suggest it will cost us as much, or more than the end point royalty. Just shut-up.

Charliep. You're a barley man. What is the cost of replacing a single popular variety with an improved version, trial stages through to release?

[grower99]

I question whether it's the taxpayer that
is backing away as opposed to the federal
government making the decision. Why would
they want to upset a lot of farmers
because politically farmers tend to
support this government. Right? There must
be many benefits to the farmer right? I
hear a few benefits but also some
negatives.

[perfecho]

There are not enough farmer votes to worry about it....even the CWB deal was not for farmers....it was lobbied by corporate interests, the best way to sell it was " good for farmers and apple pie."
This will be same situation....lobbying for corporate interests. Good or bad idea, but a bad way of getting to the decision!

[malleefarmer]

older varieties the levy drops after about 6 years its zero usually as new one have been bred

Someone mentioned poor varieties not suited for the intended purpose simple don't buy them.....

have a mate whos a seed grower he bulks up for breeders in yr one then released to farmers the dollars he gets per tonne for doing it really only covers costs plus a little farmers think cause he charges $800 to 1000 per tonne he pockets it no at least 50% goes back to breeder

seems all breeding done in Canada is by multi national companies?

im not sure how many new wheats barleys peas canola lupins lentils chickpeas oats faba beans and triticale will be released this year but would think possibly between 30 and 40 all together

[oneoff]

Me thinks guys like gus have about a million times more influence in this decision than any of us who will suffer under "his" decision.

I'll even go further and guess that it is gus's circle of friends that are foisting this on suffering farmers at this time.

Spokespersons....have your usual nice days. I realize it fits in with YOUR long term plan.

[oneoff]

This scheme is designed so that there are no other alternatives.