What's up! Why some are pushing the new seed rules!

[grower99]

At what cost is accessing these new
"super" varieties ok with you? If the
cost and contract conditions are too one
sided what other options will you have in
5,10,15 years?

[wd9]

It greatly concerns me that the trend is to cower in the corner from
fear of seed companies and royalties yet not a post on farmers'
perfect timing opportunity right now to own and control a big chunk
of cereal breeding in Canada.

It shows to me farmer owned breeding won't work in Canada rather
then using the advantages within UPOV91 to create a strong farmer
owned breeding program for cereals - with no EPR!

And yes, it works in other counties, but in Canada, probably not.

[bucket]

It works in other countries where they have trouble meeting their own needs.

When you are exporting country like Canada and your importing costomers can set the rules as to what enters their country, it may be a little more difficult.

Any excuse will do.

We have witnessed it already.

[grower99]

What steps are needed to establish a
farmer owned and controlled breeding
program in a political environment which
is being tipped in favour of a few
corporations?

[charliep]

I found this article in Alberta Farm Express interesting.

[URL="http://www.albertafarmexpress.ca/2014/04/09/big-changes-coming-to-plant-breeding/"]Alberta Farm Express[/URL]

For what it is worth, the debate goes well beyond UPOV91 (an international standard) to how plant breeding will be financed in western Canada and who will do this activity. These questions have already been dealt with in the cases of canola and pulses.

[wd9]

funny, i was gonna post that!

bucket, re "it works in other countries"

What does that have to do with seed,
unless i am misunderstanding you, that
is about exports??

What protects the private sector seed
rights also applies to farmer owned.
Where is the corporate advantage? Or the
farmers seed ownership disadvantage?

[SASKFARMER3]

One supper varieties that can get higher than last year. We will see. Canola should be at a 100 and not seed cost a acre.
Plus if we get to producing all this grain with super varieties where the hell will we ship it if every one doesn't get the shipping shit show sorted out.

[charliep]

SK3

Perhaps I am wrong but as good managers today, farmers have a choice in where they spend their money on the varieties of seed that fit their farm. Are you saying as an industry we should limit our investment in plant breeding to limit production? What does that say about western Canada's competitiveness in the future in a world of growing demand (population, improving income, urbanization, changing diets, etc) and greater production potential in other exporting countries (South America, Eastern European countries, etc.)?

[SASKFARMER3]

No if some one actually can produce a variety that can do better than last year each and every year by more than 25% ill pay for it. What I am saying is if the Middle man the railways and elevator companies don't get their shit show in place growing that big of a crop will leave us with the same problem as this past winter over and over.
Also another problem is emptying Alberta then Manitoba and leaving sask with no rail service. I had contracts in place for #2 13.5 grain and had bags full of #1 13.5 to 14.7 yet they took grain in Alberta over filling our orders. If the new rules work we should be compensated for delays.

[charliep]

The assumption is higher yields are all that comes out plant breeding. Plant breeding is also about dealing with everyday agronomic issues in world variable weather and pests which adapt to new situations/impact production. I think (everyone else will tell me I am wrong) there be more opportunties to develop crops with specific consumer traits in mind.

I note all the conversation elsewhere about using glyphosate/other descicants to even out maturity so a farmer can straight combine wheat. What about looking at traits in wheat that allow more even maturity.

[SASKFARMER3]

Yes its a great big world but I still believe we will destroy Wheat like Canola. Big winners are the seed company. Yield No better but yes can spray with Liberty or RR so weed control is better. Now maybe strait cut but time will tell.

[FarmRanger]

<i>"I still believe we will destroy Wheat like Canola"</i>

over 20 Million acres last year. Not sure that I agree with your definition of "destroy"?

[charliep]

Someone will have to help understand better. Budgets I look (realizing averages/not real farms) put canola in the top of crops. Farmers continue to push canola in rotations not because its the right thing to do but because it pays the bills. Average yields have been increasing at a faster rate than other crops.

Canola growth in production has been driven by the demand side. Our challenges this year are lack of transportation capacity - not lack of customers.

At the end of the day, the choice of crops by farmers and their rotations. The answer to better canola rotations is higher profit potential in cereals. The question is how farmers invest in things like plant breeding to make this happen.

[SASKFARMER3]

The Guys who have been growing it for years no
real yield advantage now cleaner crops. Ok up
slightly but we had big yields years ago! It's now a
crop that works in the brown soil zone! We will
see how we'll in Normal growing years!
Now the big problem the old varieties were
delisted so can't try growing them with today's
fertilizer sprays and disease control! I still bet not
that much lower!
That's the fear no big yield advantage but huge
seed cost!

[blackpowder]

Thoughts on a solution?