Who is right, ag transport coalition or RR's

[fjlip]

http://www.agtransportcoalition.com/

or....https://www.realagriculture.com/2015/02/railways-reject-ag-transport-coalitions-findings/

[bucket]

The railways have the government on their side. Two mps and staff quickly disputed the coalitions data as well as any independants.

Railways have the government on a leash. No doubt.

[Hopperbin]

While cn and cpr deside to cancell phantom orders us farmers are left with grain that we have sold sitting in bins. I think the railroads are in the wrong. I believe we need more up to date and transparent system in order to get access to better prices. Or maybe I live in the wrong location.

Canada’s two major railways have changed they way they process requests for grain cars in Western Canada.To deter shippers from ordering more cars than they can handle, both Canadian National and Canadian Pacific are capping the number of outstanding orders a grain shipper can have in their systems.As of September 14th, the total number of outstanding orders for cars from CN must not exceed twice the car spot capacity for each loading facility. For larger shippers, rather than submitting an unlimited number of car orders, total outstanding orders at all facilities must not exceed two weeks’ worth of “maximum base car allocation.” If these limits are excneeded, the railway says it expects shippers to remove order requests or CN will proceed to remove orders.CN spokesperson Mark Hallman says without these limits, the number of outstanding orders can serve as an “unreliable and misleading indicator of demand,” noting tens of thousands of “phantom” car requests were cancelled by the end of the 2013-14 crop year.

[Hopperbin]

So with the cn and cpr system capping car orders to twice the siding capacity means that they can never get behind. In their eyes. Written by a well paid lawyer.

[bucket]

And there you have it. Phantom orders that took so ****ing long the graincos or farmers made alternative arrangements.

And they government buys the railways line.

I would really like to see if the railways would pull this shit in the states?

[fjlip]

So if they are, "a government-funded group such as the Ag Transport Coalition", funding will soon be cut by order of the RR's.

Canadians are governed/ruled by the board room table!

[bucket]

The railways have publicly boohooed that they were not included.

Long before that they were sitting in some ministers office to ensure this charade didn't go on too long.

Seriously what is the difference between isis terrorists or what the railways and other corporate terrorists have done to this country?

[bucket]

Here is another question.

Why didn't the government talk to railway management months ago to avert this.

Instead they want to make it look like a union issue.

Can no one see the problem with railways management? Some senior railway people are jumping off that ship already.

[westernvicki]

The data is a compilation of reporting by elevators based on real orders and real cars received against orders.

[wmoebis]

WK 23: 6312 cars ordered. 2271 spotted.

How many were available (empty)?

How many cars can the system physically
load/unload in a week?

What about producer cars(included in #)?

How many cars do RR have in total?

[Hopalong]

Beyond meeting ship to port government order, seems to be up to railways to provide grain shipping pretty much where it pleases.
It is worth taking a look at some aspects of United States rail movement where shippers pay to have rail shipping service provided on a competitive bid basis and, in theory, who ever is willing to pay gets priority.
There are captive grain shipping areas where surface shipping authority has regulatory power.
A co-ordinated Canada-US bulk grain rail shipping protocol would be at top of my list of desired outcomes from prairie grain grower perspective.

[Hopalong]

Does not seem logical to complain about our Canadian system and, at same time, reject US one.

[westernvicki]

Well be careful what you ask for actually data has also shown that paying more does not actually buy a higher level of service. Likely because of the lack of reciprocal penalties on the railroaders for failure to provide a service level.

[farming101]

Check out the weekly USDA grain transportation report. North Dakota rates to Portland, Oregon look very pricey. Remember that's in USD.
<a title="USDA Grain Transportation Report" href="http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/gtr">USDA Grain Transportation Report</a>

[Hopalong]

What are we to believe in reports that US wheat prices to growers are a dollar a bushel more than what our handling and transportation system pays us?