Canada is an 'embarrassing failure' on the world stage due to environmental oversight of oil industr

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Oliver88

Any idea how many miles that is and it's economic benefit?

That would be worth showing to the people blocking additional capacity.

[Oliver88]

Oliver88

Any idea how many miles that is and it's economic benefit?

That would be worth showing to the people blocking additional capacity.

Here is an example of the Alberta Clipper for BPD and miles of pipe.
You're right it would be nice to show benefits showing jobs added, GDP, etc.



Alberta Clipper (also known as Enbridge's Line 67) is an oil pipeline in North America. It is owned and operated by Enbridge and is part of the extensive Enbridge Pipeline System. The pipeline runs from Hardisty, Alberta, in Canada, to Superior, Wisconsin, in the United States, integrating the company's Canadian oil sands pipeline system with the Lakehead system in the United States.[1]

Construction on the pipeline began in summer 2008.[1] Detailed engineering for the Canadian portion was carried out by WorleyParsons. The majority of pipeline was built by the consortium of Michels Corporation, Precision Pipeline and US Pipeline, while Willbros Group built the portion between Sherwood Park and Hardisty, and the joint venture of Robert B Somerville and Techint Canada built three sections of the pipeline.

The pipeline was placed into service on April 1, 2010. The first shipment was moved in October 2010.[2]

The initial capacity of the 1,607-kilometre (999 mi) pipeline is 450,000 barrels per day (72,000 m3/d) which after expansion may be increased up to 800,000 barrels per day (130,000 m3/d).[3] It has pump stations at Hardisty, Alberta, Kerrobert, Milden, Cromer, Glenboro, Gretna, Viking, Minnesota, Clearbrook, and Deer River.[2] The diameter of the pipe is 36 inches (910 mm).[1] The pipeline cost US$3.3 billion.[2][4]

In 2013, Enbridge applied for the expansion project. At the first stage by 2014, the capacity would have increased up to 570,000 barrels per day (91,000 m3/d) and at the second stage by 2015, the capacity would have increased up to 880,000 barrels per day (140,000 m3/d).[5] However, the plan was delayed due to the delay of the United States presidential permit.[6

[Oliver88]

To show support for the Energy East pipeline there was a vote in the House of Commons today, this shows where the MP's truly stand as far as developing pipelines.

Quite concerning is how Ralph Goodale and all the Sask/Alberta Liberal/NDP MP's voted.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/HouseChamberBusiness/ChamberVoteDetail.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=42&S es=1&Vote=11&GroupBy=party&FltrParl=42&FltrSes=1

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Oliver88

Finally got that vote to come up.

That's nuts for MPs to not represent their constituents.

Seemed like a well worded vote.

More than one person in those PM interviews said this country needed jobs and these guys vote against it........why?

If these pipelines got approval today it's still a while away for the benefits to start showing up. The longer they delay the worse it gets.

They are going to look stupid if oil gets back to 70 bucks and eastern refineries are buying foreign oil when they could be buying cheaper domestic feedstock.

Oh well pretty sure Irving oil has booked a lot of cheap saudi oil for the foreseeable future. They didn't get wealthy by being stupid.

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Very hard to figure out for sure.
But my big question is if all the conservatives are in favor, why didn't Harper push it through in the last 10 yrs instead of wasting all that time and money on Keystone when everyone could see that the USA didn't want it.

He could have built refineries here instead.

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Wmoebis


The problem is refineries, pasta plants,auto plants? etc ... or any end use value added need population to make sense.

Canada and especially saskatchewan lack population to make finished products.

The transportation system here wouldn't allow it.

Or so we have been told.


Now quit questioning their logic before someone slaps you back into the sheep line.

[Oliver88]

From what I read for Keystone XL to be approved, it requires a Republican to be president of USA.

For Energy East it will require the National Energy Board to complete its regular approval process plus the extra couple of years of new GREEN HOUSE GAS approval process that the Liberals added last week.

Northern Gateway will never happen with a federal Liberal government since they put a moratorium on oil tanker traffic to Northern B.C.

One of the main reasons (besides helping our economy) that I want pipelines approved is that with less oil on the railway our grain has a better chance to move.

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Oliver88

Plenty of grain to move this year but cp laid off 1000 workers.

I admire your idea about better grain movement but it can't get better. CN and CP won't allow it until they get rid of the MRE.

No one is building railcars for grain movement is another clue it won't get better.

And if it's not oil in saskatchewan it will be potash. New mines and higher production every year. Wall just got potash corp to move 750000 tonnes to saskatchewan. Then add in ks production of 2.5 mmt.

Maybe BHP comes on stream then yancoal and gensource. It's not going by truck.

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Oliver88

Plenty of grain to move this year but cp laid off 1000 workers.

I admire your idea about better grain movement but it can't get better. CN and CP won't allow it until they get rid of the MRE.

No one is building railcars for grain movement is another clue it won't get better.

And if it's not oil in saskatchewan it will be potash. New mines and higher production every year. Wall just got potash corp to move 750000 tonnes to saskatchewan. Then add in ks production of 2.5 mmt.

Maybe BHP comes on stream then yancoal and gensource. It's not going by truck.

Good point on PCS shifting production, it is good for jobs in Saskatchewan though.....especially if you work for them.
From what I understand Agrium, Mosaic and PCS basically have a quota system under Canpotex so yes, production is being shifted from NB to Sask.
K+S and BHP are low cost producers and trying to beat Canpotex with a lower cost of production.

When CN and CP have a constant backlog of oil to move they will not be too worried about paying a few fines for not moving enough grain.
They sure do have us farmers held hostage but having an extra million barrels per day of oil requiring pulling power won't decrease the amount of excuses we heard a few years back for being "behind schedule".