The name should be "Energy Far East Pipeline"

[mustardman]

So oliver88 if it's about Exporting oil , then Advertise it as such.
But to tell everyone this bullshit that it Will replace the Imported oil is a Ploy to gain Public Support.

The refineries in the east CANT refine heavy oil

[Hopalong]

Energy East has plan for feeder line to take Bakken light crude to feed into main line at Moosomin.
Would perhaps supply our eastern refineries and get that oil off our railways that run through towns and cities all the way to Atlantic.

[Oliver88]

So oliver88 if it's about Exporting oil , then Advertise it as such.
But to tell everyone this bullshit that it Will replace the Imported oil is a Ploy to gain Public Support.

The refineries in the east CANT refine heavy oil

How do you know the Baaken oil or oil in Saskatchewan can't be used to replace imported oil?
There is oil in western Canada that can do both, fill the eastern refineries AND be exported for a higher value than land locked oil receives.

Maybe you started yet another ridiculous bullshit thread because your are an environmental kook who is anti-oil.

Another mustard/bullshit example is being opposed to pipelines when you are worried about GHG levels and want carbon taxes.

[stonepicker]

Question and answer: mustard, do you farm? I don't think so. Are you an ndp party member who's job it is to spew propaganda and hearsay? I think so. Are you concerned about the facts? Nope. Do you have any friends? Sadly, i don't think so. Do you enjoy life? Sadly, i don't think so. You can't even see the fact that shipping oil east is good for east and western canada. ( more jobs building pipeline and upgrading refineries, cheaper oil in the long run, less carbon footprint, not dependent on imported oil ) Get a life.

[SASKFARMER3]

Plus the Big one Less oil in Rail Tankers. So railways can ship grain and other stuff.
But to a NDP that's not good.

[Oliver88]

One more point that HOPEFULLY our environmentalist/anti-oil friends on Agriville maybe can grasp.

[Guest]

we need the pipeline so we can sell enough oil at a higher price so we can afford to keep sending welfare checks east . sounds like nation building to me ? what am I missing ? although I think it would be more beneficial to the west to just cut the cancerous growth off and carry on with our lives

[DogPatch]

Why don't we just upgrade our current refineries, build another one and process the bit. and sell it as end products. The price of gas at the pumps doesn't follow the price of oil anymore, it follows the price of unleaded and diesel on their markets. Piss on Quebec, lets get her done. Big oil might make a dollar, but it will put people back to work.

[DogPatch]

Why don't we just upgrade our current refineries, build another one and process the bit. and sell it as end products. The price of gas at the pumps doesn't follow the price of oil anymore, it follows the price of unleaded and diesel on their markets. Piss on Quebec, lets get her done. Big oil might make a dollar, but it will put people back to work.

[mustardman]

Yes there would be some bakken crude fed into line .but you've still got mostly high bitumen oil going thru this line.
The spin on this project had been unbelievable.

The Koch brothers have a huge investment in Hardisty plant as well as over a million acres of land around Fort Mac
They are the kings of spin( just look at how they created the tea party) and wreaked havoc on democratic process in US

[Hopalong]

After Lac Megantic, hard to understand Quebec position of opposition to pipeline. Crude coming through urban ares by rail seems much greater risk.
Maybe more about angling for aid to Bombardier.

[foragefarmer]

I'm not an expert at the oil industry, but with the cost of producing a barrel of oil out from the oilsands how can a pipeline save the day for that particular area? I just read that any new project in the oilsands, by the various oil companies, break even points range from $68-96 per barrel. It also trades at a discount of $13.75 a barrel.

I have also read that it costs $41.00 to produce barrel of oil in Canada compared to Saudi Arabia at $9.90.

All that being said it's plain to see why the oil from the Saudi's is coming to Eastern Canada at current world prices. I do agree that in the future when oil prices increase, something seriously should be done to get western Canadian oil to eastern Canada, it benefits all of Canada economically


Stonepicker, not sure why you would post in this matter towards Mustard, there is no benefit to the tread at all. Mustard is entitled to his opinions as is everybody else on here does, its an open forum and we all don't have to agree with what you may think.