The future of farming is organic

[fjlip]

Field scale organic oats is like 19 bu around here, 200% weeds. How does SMF every second year work out to returns per year? All the rain made SMF a waste of diesel and iron. So sad for those trying. Seed bank must be astronomical!
Musk says N should be cancelled, that would certainly REDUCE the F*CKING supply, I vote N illegal!

[hobbyfrmr]

Field scale organic oats is like 19 bu around here, 200% weeds. How does SMF every second year work out to returns per year? All the rain made SMF a waste of diesel and iron. So sad for those trying. Seed bank must be astronomical!
Musk says N should be cancelled, that would certainly REDUCE the F*CKING supply, I vote N illegal!

A really good way to prove you are right is to buy out that organic farmer.
Maybe thats what he is doing. You should pay him and tactfully make an offer.

[malleefarmer]

Cotton hit it "semi" organic,
Was in Sweden at a organic farm they were allowed one pass of glypho this is going back years but were demmed organic. It may have changed by now

[newguy]

Answer is not organic farming .half the yield on half the acres.a third of the world starves.Farmets are their worst enemy though.Reduce inputs would bring down production in a much more controled manner.But you could never get all farmers to do this.so the ones that reduced production would just increase price for the greedy guys that did not.

[cottonpicken]

The industry is running at a 12% growth rate or something like that,even in 08 it was growing.I should but don't know supply numbers.

Even costco is giving out loans or some shit to farmers to go organic.

Right or wrong doesn't matter its inertia can't be ignored.

[TraderJoe]

Newguy... it isn't half the yield on half the acres...that's the old way. Producers now have very sophisticated rotations to maximize nutrient availability and yields, and summerfallow is not part of it. I have seen 30 bushel organic flax crops followed by 60 bushel oat crops... that's over $1000/ac gross return in year 1, followed by $400 gross return in year 2, followed by a green manure/plowdown year in the 3rd that costs some money. Do the math, not half crops of either, and using all the acres with no summerfallow. Manitoba Agriculture has done multi year studies on production and returns, and there was an independent study done in Ontario that the POGI transition workshops are using for information. I am not in favor of either, but I have seen the results from the new wave of organic farmers and it is very impressive!

[hobbyfrmr]

Newguy... it isn't half the yield on half the acres...that's the old way. Producers now have very sophisticated rotations to maximize nutrient availability and yields, and summerfallow is not part of it. I have seen 30 bushel organic flax crops followed by 60 bushel oat crops... that's over $1000/ac gross return in year 1, followed by $400 gross return in year 2, followed by a green manure/plowdown year in the 3rd that costs some money. Do the math, not half crops of either, and using all the acres with no summerfallow. Manitoba Agriculture has done multi year studies on production and returns, and there was an independent study done in Ontario that the POGI transition workshops are using for information. I am not in favor of either, but I have seen the results from the new wave of organic farmers and it is very impressive!

Half a crop, and twcie the price. Dont do it, there is no money in it.

[fjlip]

A really good way to prove you are right is to buy out that organic farmer.
Maybe thats what he is doing. You should pay him and tactfully make an offer.

That land is SO POLLUTED, nobody would make an offer. No thanks, ruined his chances to sell it.

[newguy]

Not against the niche market and know many do a good job at it.Many are just wearing out their land doing it.on the other hand conventional farmers in my opinion have gone too far to produce more at any cost.a simple reduction in inputs right across the board would reduce yields increase prices and the big chemical and fertilizer companies would be the only ones losing.

[pourfarmer]

That land is SO POLLUTED, nobody would make an offer. No thanks, ruined his chances to sell it.

LMAO! what a crock of shit, roundup is cheap and plentiful