Get ready to pay up b*tches !

[cottonpicken]

Black,i'll just ASSume your being sarcastic ,everything around you was built by a white man,the ******s,the ******s,the feminists and all the other clowns can take a hike,this country was conquered and built by white hetro men and when the saxon rises again.....

[macdon02]

They gonna tax a volcano when it releases gas? This is all about money, your a fool that'll always be a liberal before a Canadian if you believe otherwise. Yes there are many that'll burn this country up for the sake of their political beliefs. There's been zero thought on what happens next. Like cotton pointed out, the inflow of capital will cease. Whichever commodity you produce, it's all about being the lowest cost producer. It would be a real sob if the loonie went up. As Charlie S always says " the market goes to the level that screws the most people" the majority is always wrong. Canada with no exports is a leper. We don't have the population to survive on a service industry

[chuckChuck]

BC has had a carbon tax for several years. Their economy is pretty strong. Why are so many Albertans moving to BC? I guess the carbon tax must be real bad. The way some posts have it the country will end. It is over the top exaggeration.

I posted the following on an earlier thread. If many of you see carbon taxes only as a form of wealth redistribution, then remember farmers receive subsidies from average taxpayers as well. Agri-Invest is a form of wealth redistribution, with the largest grossing farms getting the biggest matching contributions. Does this make sense when the goal should be keeping more farmers in business and not assisting the bigger ones that need less help.

Yes, with a carbon tax prices for energy will go up and there will be less used. That is exactly what happened when oil prices increased during the boom and oil companies took excess profits from consumers. I guess that was okay because it was the market that was doing it. But the oil companies are better managers of your money, right?

A carbon tax can be revenue neutral in which the increased tax is offset by rebates to consumers. How provinces set theirs up will decide how this is done or not done. B.C. exempts agriculture so not all costs will go up.

[blackpowder]

Cotton. ???

Chuck. I guess Im an idiot. To me the terms tax and revenue neutral are opposites.

[chuckChuck]

You said it Blackpowder I didn't.

If you don't understand the term here is an explanation. $50 per tonne equals .11 Cents per L of gas which is one estimate. Either the province collects it or Ottawa will collect it and pay it back to the province, which then decides what to do with it.

Brad Wall might want to rebate the entire amount back to consumers. Which makes it revenue neutral to the government of Saskatchewan and does not really cost consumers anything except they pay higher amounts for fossil energy and probably use less which is what the goal is.

If agriculture is exempted for whatever reason then not much will change. Saskatchewan farmers already get a tax rebate of .12 cents per liter on farm fuel because it is mainly used off road.

[farming101]

One tenth of a cent?? Chump change.

[farmaholic]

What in ag will be exempt? You mean everyone that supplies us with goods and services will be exempt or not pass on their increased costs....wishful thinking.

Hence, the ripple affect!

Re Agstab, ..I consider mine a partial tax refund and still will have paid more in income tax than some people earn.....but somehow that makes me bad and deserve to share the efforts of my hard work and risk I took with the lazy or less fortunate. My goodness. ...

[farmaholic]

All this time I thought it was 12 cents!

[oneoff]

"BC has had a carbon TAX for several years. Their economy is pretty strong. Why are so many Albertans moving to BC? I guess the carbon TAX must be real bad."

So "all" agree its another TAX???

Now as for claiming it can be revenue neutral if there are rebates to consumers....what is the net benefit except a transfer of more money to a selected group and paying government employees to do the accounting.

As for excess profits during the last glory years of the relatively recent oil boom...I would dare say that there is more potential profit to be being made at sub $50.00 crude oil and gasoline at 102.9 in Regina today; than there was at peak crude oil prices of nearly three times as much; and the pump prices during that time period. And ten cents or 50 cents a liter extra for a carbon tax will not deter anyone trying to keep from freezing to death..or doing their summerfallow or jetting to their favorite vacation spot.

Now on this very wet fall evening I feel compelled to vent on the issue of what few politicians and regulators seem to be able to differentiate. That is; what doable and a no brainer and what is destructive and will surely lead to nothing but Canadian economic chaos.

Show me any hint that our trading partners have any intention of following suit with Canadian initiatives. Has anyone asked any US voter about carbon taxes? They won't know what you are talking about. Has any politician in the US opened themselves up to such political suicide? Please enlighten us if this is so.

Now; what could be done is to utilize flare gas that is routinely wasted down to the last cubic foot. Ask industry and Mines (Ministry of Economy) and you might learn that single battery flaring might supply the needs of a city like Moose Jaw.

Enlighten yourself about the reported vented and flared gas in Sask and become aware that the estimate of actual carbon emissions aren't thought to be within a margin of a few percent or even 100% of actual amounts; or even a small multiple of 100%. Now the gas royalties are non exisistant (or at least inconsequential) on that waste; but the carbon tax most likely won't be. And it isn't a matter of instantly putting in new gas gathering lines...I mean next to no oil company sees the economics in expanding the few gas plant in existence; and those in charge of our destiny and their green supporters do everything to delay and thwart construction of required lines to utilize that which has always largely been wasted; and will continue to be until the fossil fuel industry is wound down.

All examples of poor and effectively no planning. And idiots who have come to believe in ideology that has gained traction amongst those who have swallowed dogma that ignores billions of extra people; and those now living who have had glimpses of others lifestyles; and those who have figured out their potential entitlements if they support the right causes.

Not that many give a damn about anything other than their personal interests......

[oneoff]

Yah that one-eigth of a cent is in the wrong ballpark; but still as close as most other logic.

[Oliver88]

National Energy Policy 2.0 implemented by Pierre junior to make the west weaker and increase the Ontario/Quebec voting base. The Liberals never did like seeing the west being the engine of our economy....they want to change that.

They plan to ease us into this bullshit carbon tax at $10/tonne than hammer us with a 500% increase four years later.

Where is the coward/yes man Goodale? Likely supporting the tax like he did with the gun control bill.

[blackpowder]

How can a dollar taken from anyone be neutral unless it is returned to everyone plus the time value of money. Not neutral to the payer.
How can a dollar paid to government be neutral to the person who paid it? It doesnt matter if only corporations pay it?
Billions of magic money that doesnt cost anybody a thing.
What govt office do you work for chuck? A tax is a tax. An expense is an expense. Billions of govt revenue that wont cost anyone a dime. Are you sure your not a divorce lawyer??