Get ready to pay up b*tches !

[oneoff]

Yah that one-eigth of a cent is in the wrong ballpark; but still as close as most other logic.

[Oliver88]

National Energy Policy 2.0 implemented by Pierre junior to make the west weaker and increase the Ontario/Quebec voting base. The Liberals never did like seeing the west being the engine of our economy....they want to change that.

They plan to ease us into this bullshit carbon tax at $10/tonne than hammer us with a 500% increase four years later.

Where is the coward/yes man Goodale? Likely supporting the tax like he did with the gun control bill.

[blackpowder]

How can a dollar taken from anyone be neutral unless it is returned to everyone plus the time value of money. Not neutral to the payer.
How can a dollar paid to government be neutral to the person who paid it? It doesnt matter if only corporations pay it?
Billions of magic money that doesnt cost anybody a thing.
What govt office do you work for chuck? A tax is a tax. An expense is an expense. Billions of govt revenue that wont cost anyone a dime. Are you sure your not a divorce lawyer??

[furrowtickler]

I said the moment JT was in they would put in a plan for wealth redistribution.
So this carbon tax if to help fight global warming ??
Read the post on sunspot activity, the re read it a hunderd times until it sinks in. This whole thing is a scam and chucky , your most likely in on it .

[Oliver88]

I said the moment JT was in they would put in a plan for wealth redistribution.
So this carbon tax if to help fight global warming ??
Read the post on sunspot activity, the re read it a hunderd times until it sinks in. This whole thing is a scam and chucky , your most likely in on it .

I agree with you it's a scam.

I also think it's a way for the "Laurentian Elites" and the Liberal party to screw over the west.....keep the west weak and population down = Liberals staying in power.

[furrowtickler]

The apple don't fall far from the tree
No different than the Bush family and what they did in the Middle East
They have there own agenda when sworn in. And if you can't see it your a moron or part of their club .

[oneoff]

There appears to be a misconception about oil companies making excess profits. Some appear vertically integrated; are major producers and have control of their production through to retail distribution of refined products.

For every one of those oil companies in that less than a handful; there are pages of junior and much smaller companies. And it takes periods of healthy profits to be able to survive periods when production doesn't cover costs of operation.

Now on good authority; I understand that investment in a tens of millions sour gas processing facility may have processed CH4 sales of a couple thousand dollars per day; and close to 10 times that worth of propane and butane during the same day time period.. (of course in Sask Transgas is the sole potential natural gas sales outlet.); although with commercial and industrial users able to contract future supplies that statement doesn't seem to make sense)

Now what very well be happening is that the Sask oil patch is being dominated by one (or a very few) companies who seem to have an insatiable appetite. And it is healthy to question whether ratcheting suppliers and services down to break even price demands is next to bullying and reprehensible.

Still I maintain that those who still totally depend upon fossil fuels; will one day realize that dependency on present day viable energy supplies...and will quit biting the hand that could continue to supply them.

For those who happen to have noticed; like the closed Derrick Motor INN in Estevan said "there's not much going on in Estevan". Perhaps a whole lot less when coal electrical generation ends..and the future of every coal mines is in peril.

[Hamloc]

Well you lads in Saskatchewan are now going to get to experience the same industry killing carbon tax that the Alberta NDP has proposed to introduce on Jan 1. What makes me laugh a little is that our illustrious Premier is pretending to be pissed that by 2022 it will be 50 dollars a tonne. Supposedly the NDP were going to cap it at 30. As for western separation, I am certainly on board. I was a fan of the old Western Canada Concept party and certainly hope a western separatist party comes back to life. Keep your heads up as our future is pissed away!!

[wmoebis]

You said it Blackpowder I didn't.

If you don't understand the term here is an explanation. $50 per tonne equals .11 Cents per L of gas which is one estimate. Either the province collects it or Ottawa will collect it and pay it back to the province, which then decides what to do with it.

Brad Wall might want to rebate the entire amount back to consumers. Which makes it revenue neutral to the government of Saskatchewan and does not really cost consumers anything except they pay higher amounts for fossil energy and probably use less which is what the goal is.

If agriculture is exempted for whatever reason then not much will change. Saskatchewan farmers already get a tax rebate of .12 cents per liter on farm fuel because it is mainly used off road.

Not sure what will be left to rebate back to consumers. Like every other program admin will eat all and more up. Collect so they can transfer just to rebate. Makes no sense.

[Hamloc]

Many on here complained that Stephen Harper was bad for western Canada. Did nothing to help farmers, didn't listen to premier's was a dictator. So how is our present Prime Minister different? We have Agrium and Potash corp merging, Bayer buying out Monsanto. Nothing happening to improve grain transportation and now the imposition of a national carbon tax. If I was Stephen Harper I might be thinking how do you like me now?

[SASKFARMER3]

Ham but still ones like Grass etc think the Selfie King is God.

When the Media shows a one sided story. We are all in big trouble. Yea I believe all new Canadians are lining up to vote for the Selfie king in Droves. He has a plan to get as many new Canadians here as possible. Its all about the vote. Then keep Ontario and Quebec happy with Useless Cash and that source is Western Canada.

Why any country with our natural resources would want to kill the golden goose to enter into this Green Bull shit agenda.

Run our source dry then switch to the new designs. Why jump in on over priced shit that isn't proven. Its like the first guy to try Corn in western Canada he lost his ass for first 10 years but with persistence now if he survived is growing a great crop. The rest of the world needs oil. Last time I checked my tractor and combines need Diesel and Oil to run Im not sure how my Solar tractor is working out right now. So why the liberals aren't doing there usual lip service and do nothing i don't get. Unless you follow the money and yes its about wealth distribution take from the West and give to the east.

They aren't giving farmers etc anything back in return for the tax. No carbon sink etc. The land was there before and it will be there after. Yea for buffalo after we all go broke trying to compete with USA China Russia SA Australia that don't and won't issue a Carbon tax.

F$%King Moron I said since day one and its coming true. Don't get me started on Entitlement. Duffy almost goes to jail and his is paid back. Liberals bill hundreds of thousands for two intellectual idiots to move to Ottawa and they will judge what to pay back. They are such honest moral people.

Ever meet a Rich Liberal. Yea they got a inside Government Contract.

[Oliver88]

Carbon tax will hurt freight costs (rail and truck), electricity, propane/NG for drying grain, increase costs for Ministry of Highways to build highways, increase RM costs for roads, increase cost at port, cost of living for all the employees in transporting grain, cost of steel, .......oh yeah the Liberals really care about grain transportation.

If by making people poor will clean up the environment why not just increase income tax to 90%?!, this would really reduce travel especially by airplane......I better not give the Liberals too many ideas.

[grassfarmer]

This whole thread

[boarderbloke]

This is a must read for everyone,,,from the Financial Post - Oct 3rd, 2016



Vivian Krause: The cash pipeline opposing Canadian oil pipelines

By Vivian Krause, Special to Financial Post | October 3, 2016 4:41 PM ET

The suspension of the National Energy Board’s review of the Energy East pipeline review can be traced back to anti-pipeline activism and controversy stemming from a story published by The National Observer. On the first day of the project’s hearing in Montreal, protestors stormed the meeting room and brought the review to a standstill because of security concerns.

Days later, all three National Energy Board panelists recused themselves in the wake of revelations by National Observer reporter Mike De Souza that two of the panelists had met with former Quebec premier Jean Charest who had not disclosed that he was retained by TransCanada Pipelines, the company looking to build Energy East.


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Given the significant impact of anti-pipeline activism, it’s time for an update about who funds it, who is involved, and why this U.S.-funded campaign against Alberta oil is unacceptable.

Prior to the shakedown of the NEB, few Canadians had heard of the National Observer or its sister publication, The Vancouver Observer. Both are on-line reporting projects of the Observer Media Group. Launched in 2015 with crowd-funded seed capital, the National Observer calls itself “independent” and says that it exists “thanks to reader subscriptions and donations.”

One of those donors, according to U.S. tax returns, is The Tides Foundation in San Francisco. Tides has funded Observer Media via Earth Ways, a charitable foundation in Malibu Beach, Calif. Tides and Earth Ways have a long history and are funded by some of the same donors.



In 2015, Tides paid US$21,000 to Earth Ways for re-granting to Observer Media, US$20,000 for “media reporting” and US$1,000 “in honour of Linda Solomon.” Solomon is the founder and editor-in-chief of the National Observer and CEO of The Observer Group. She’s also the sister of Joel Solomon, a former employee and chairman of The Tides Foundation.

Linda Solomon did not reply to an email seeking further information about her publication’s connection to Tides. De Souza responded to a request for comment, but did not answer questions about funding from Tides.

Given that the National Observer is partially funded by Tides, it bears mention that Tides is by no means an impartial bystander in the campaign against Alberta oil. In fact, Tides is the funding and co-ordination juggernaut behind anti-pipeline activism. Totaling US$35 million, Tides made more than 400 payments (2009 to 2015) to nearly 100 anti-pipeline groups. Without all that Tides money, pipeline projects would not be facing well-organized opposition.

If Tides funded activists to act as honest brokers, that would be fair. But that’s not what Tides does. Tides funds The Tar Sands Campaign, an international effort that aims to embarrass Canada, deter investment and stigmatize Alberta oil as the poster child of dirty fuel. The goal of this campaign is nothing short of stopping the export of Alberta oil by pipeline, rail and tanker.

Tides launched The Tar Sands Campaign back in 2008 with funds from the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and other U.S. donors. At first, the main intermediary funder was Tides but in 2012 that changed as some U.S. donors shifted to the New Venture Fund, based in Washington, D.C.

Like Tides, New Venture operates a “donor-advised fund” that receives and re-grants money, keeping the original donor anonymous. One of the activists associated with New Venture Fund is Tzeporah Berman, who now co-chairs the Alberta NDP government’s Oil Sands Advisory Working Group.

The Rockefeller Brothers Fund, a charitable foundation financed by the famous oil barons of the same name, has funded New Venture explicitly “to support the campaign to cap tar sands production in Alberta.” When Rachel Notley’s NDP government announced a climate plan in November that would cap the Alberta oil industry’s allowable carbon emissions at 100 million tonnes, the Rockefellers got exactly what their funding was meant for, even if that wasn’t Notley’s intention.

In 2015, Tides paid $4 million to 50 anti-pipeline groups. Of that, $750,000 went to U.S. organizations while $3.3 million was paid out in Canada. A total of $615,000 went to the four environmental groups involved in the development of the Notley government’s climate plan: STAND, formerly Forest Ethics; The Pembina Institute; Environmental Defence; and Equiterre. The largest single grant from Tides to a Canadian environmental organization was US$700,000 paid to The Sisu Institute, a low-profile non-profit based in Sointula, B.C. That was for an initiative called “Canada’s Road To Paris: Changing The Narrative.”

If the activists marching in protests and storming NEB hearings make the anti-pipeline campaign look like an amateur, grassroots movement, the reality is it’s anything but.

The anti-pipeline machine is what is now called a “directed, network campaign,” a new breed of professional, staged activism. From Neil Young concerts to First Nations lawsuits, this campaign is centrally planned, funded and executed by paid organizers at NetChange, a private company funded in part by Joel Solomon.

Anti-pipeline activists say they’re protesting pipelines to “keep oil in the ground.” And yet, against Texas, where oil production has doubled, there’s no multi-million-dollar campaign.

The U.S. now jostles with Saudia Arabia and Russia for top spot as the world’s number one oil producer. Last year, the U.S. began exporting oil to China, Japan, France, Italy and elsewhere but there is no campaign against exporting U.S. oil.

The Tar Sands Campaign is keeping Canadian oil landlocked within North America, stopping it from reaching overseas buyers and allowing the U.S. to dominate the market. Anti-pipeline activism claims to be about the carbon emissions and the climate but what it amounts to is economic protectionism.

Vivian Krause is a Canadian researcher and writer. Find her at Twitter.com/FairQuestions.



This article demonstrates that Carbon pricing IS the TAX that most people think it is, and has nothing to do with anything about saving the environment, or cooling the globe. It's about destroying economies, and your competitors, and that's what these so called "environment groups" out of the U.S. have been able to do to Canada by getting into the ear of the Liberal Party and Canadian leftists and Canadian environment groups(likely with many members that believe it all, hook line and sinker). Their attacks on Canadian oil production isn't an attack on OIL, it's an attack on Canadians. They're not raising their voices against the increase in U.S. oil production(the U.S. needs the jobs to make obama look good), nor do they protest Middle East oil, even though those counties (like Saudi Arabia) have such poor human rights laws and treat women like property. Keeping Canadian oil land locked benefits the U.S. and liberals have been duped into thinking they're gonna save the world.

[ado089]

This is a regressive tax that will hurt poor people the most. It drives up the necessities of life. It sucks for us too but if Jr doesn't want to recognize the contributions of modern agriculture to carbon sequestration I will have no issue bur ing every acre I own then working it black. This tax is a joke, it's simply a politically correct way to fleece the yuppies and millenials.