Quick and easy falling number machine for grain terminals

[Rareearth]

Is this another one of those years where this would simplify buying and selling of grain?

[Blaithin]

Not a lot of sprouts in most places this year. CPS being the odd exception for some reason. Must just be too darn cold.

Now if it ever warms up to melt the snow for any period of time... Sprout ho!

[4GFarms]

That would be great if the system went to something like that. I find the difference between elevator graders to be too large and then if you wait till later in the year the pre-xmas #3 grade becomes magical spring #2 grade or something like that.

[wmoebis]

That would be great if the system went to something like that. I find the difference between elevator graders to be too large and then if you wait till later in the year the pre-xmas #3 grade becomes magical spring #2 grade or something like that.

Not against FN or vomi tests in every elevator at all. However it will slow unloading time, We will have to be ready to take down grades when not visual detected. You can have low FN without visual sprouting activity, you can have Vomi without visual Fus. Hope it would balance out.

My question is why is there a difference between elevator graders? There is only 1 grade on every sample if it is graded properly and done according to proper procedures in the guide. Do they need more training? Are they purposely trying to get better quality by assessing lower grade? What is your thought?

[Hopalong]

Think everyone sees things a little differently depending on experience, eyesight,etc.
Before protein testers and moisture testers became common, it was far worse.

[Rareearth]

The test takes 90 seconds! The terminals excuse was always "takes to long", this is a solution.

How long does it take to test for fusarium? Or pick for every thing in grading?

It is a much simpler, faster system if we can sell, and buyers buy on a consistent- repeatable number that has no human interpretation.

Graders seem to see sprouts when there isn't any. Bleach yes.

The CGC has basically done away with mildue as a grading factor, as it has no detrimental effect of end use.
I wonder if there is any scientific proof for lentils, copper, wrinkles, etc? That's a Association project for sure.

As for calibrations that is another question for ethics, fr.. etc I suppose it would work and be similar to the protein machine calibrations.

[Blaithin]

The only thing that should be altering grades between terminals are subjective factors like frost and mildew. And even then they should be fairly close because of the guides sent out by the CGC.

As farmers you're allowed to go see what they're grading and ask. If they're picking sprouts, ask them to show you. A severe sprout only has to break the contour of the germ, it's not always large. If a terminal is downgrading you for sprouts or fus or ergot or HVK then ask if that's what it was and how much and ask to see it.

[wmoebis]

The test takes 90 seconds! The terminals excuse was always "takes to long", this is a solution.

How long does it take to test for fusarium? Or pick for every thing in grading?

It is a much simpler, faster system if we can sell, and buyers buy on a consistent- repeatable number that has no human interpretation.

Graders seem to see sprouts when there isn't any. Bleach yes.

The CGC has basically done away with mildue as a grading factor, as it has no detrimental effect of end use.
I wonder if there is any scientific proof for lentils, copper, wrinkles, etc? That's a Association project for sure.

As for calibrations that is another question for ethics, fr.. etc I suppose it would work and be similar to the protein machine calibrations.

Are you saying a falling number test only takes 90 seconds?

[Rareearth]

Yes this machine completes the test in 90 seconds. Touch screen user interface = easy

[Blaithin]

Does that 90 seconds include milling time?

How expensive is that machine?

Tacking two minutes on every truck to do FN tests when normally only a small fraction would even require it could add a lot of wait time on a day.

Not to mention it could bite you in the butt if your non sprouted wheat that would normally not be considered an issue for FN would pull a bad one and end up downgraded.

[wmoebis]

Doubt it would be implemented until it was internationally standard. Hambeg test is what is international standard now.

Kinda like those little quick hand held moisture testers that everyone had for awhile. Not recognized by anyone.

Not saying it won't or shouldn't come yet.

[farmaholic]

Two words that will probably never be used to describe grain grading..... "repeatable accuracy" ....especially when it comes to the "human factor" of assessment.

[Rareearth]

This is the world standard, it's a Harberg falling number test machine - 90 seconds! This is one, of the most important grade factors. It's not for every year, or every location, but it does matter, from the farmer to end user.

Don't know the cost.

The carefull what you wish for excuse doesn't apply here! If you don't shop your grain around, or worse know what you have, well...