SCIC

[GOODRUM]

Anyone question their numbers?
$500 million payout this year and still a $100 million surplus with all this crop still out. What is the surplus most years? Or the estimated payouts are way off

[saskshafe]

If the majority of crop left is 10-20% of each individuals total crop, would the actual payout from crop insurance not be that much, considering you can only insure to a max of 80%?
Yields above average mean not much of a claim left.
Or does crop left out not go into your overall production??

[oldjim]

Crop left out over winter won't get a crop insurance payout until it's harvested in the spring or they agree to write it off. It's still deemed to be a harvestable crop which has the potential to produce some grain.

[saskshafe]

But the grain already harvested is added to the lost acres to come to a total average per acre?

[GOODRUM]

I guess your right oldjim, sad but true, basically the farmer will carry the losses.
What a system

[oldjim]

I'm not sure I understand your question, saskshafe, but my understanding is it boils down to a simple calculation: for example, wheat, you are guaranteed so many bushels per acre of #2 RS. If you come up short on bushels they pay the difference. Quality factors are considered so if you have bad fusarium that downgrades your wheat to "Sample" they apply a spread between that and #2, which increases your payout.

As long as there's a chance you'll be able to harvest that crop, even if it's not until next spring, they won't pay anything. Only if they come out and adjust it and say no, this crop is screwed will they pay out. So it's a waiting game which is fine except guys have bills to pay, usually in the fall including inputs and taxes. It might be possible to get a preharvest advance from the CCGA but it might be too late. Their advance is based on your crop insurance numbers.

On a side note I'm finding a huge variation in grading between elevators this year. My HRS wheat has been graded anywhere from #2 to Feed. And this is out of the same sample pail taken during harvest! So shop around. This is the worst I've ever seen for wild grading.

[wmoebis]

On a side note I'm finding a huge variation in grading between elevators this year. My HRS wheat has been graded anywhere from #2 to Feed. And this is out of the same sample pail taken during harvest! So shop around. This is the worst I've ever seen for wild grading. Reply With Quote

This is what I've been saying. We need universal, certified training for grain buyers. Grades should not be any different between elevators. The sample doesn't change. I can see price changing if they want to give you a deal or really want your grain but not the grade.

If there is that much difference when buying what is the quality like when they are shipping. If wrong grades are getting to port for just in time loading boats we end up paying demurage while waiting for proper product to arrive.

Why isn't the CGC monitoring the inward grading better? I don't see the issue with demanding the industry be trained. We are dealing with food I don't want people getting sick or losing customers because lack of knowledge.

[farmaholic]

wmoebis. Here I go again....

When tolerances are .25% for a one red and .5 for a 1 and 2 CWAD. How much more, or less, of "an error in judgement" does it take to move the sample into the next grade? How many grams are being picked, 5, 10 or 100? and is the same amount being picked everywhere? How consistent is the procedure? We are dealing with numbers so small and too much margin for error that the grading system for fusarium turns into a complete cluster****. Vomitoxin.... "ppm"!!! skewed testing.... not cleaning grinders, adding too much or too little solution, improper procedure... all too stupid. I bet one day the insanity will subside to something MORE FAIR!

And Ergot.... the complete luck of the grab.... after the sample has been cleaned it is so easy to pick the ergot kernels but as I've said many times before..... the luck of the grab when obtaining the sample!

[wmoebis]

Oldjim was talking #2 to feed. .25 - 1.5% that is not an error in judgement.

I agree scientific equipment may be a better way but we aren't there. If guys aren't trained to run equipment any better than visual grade what is the point.

Grading grain isn't rocket science but one does need proper training and monitoring. Just like any other trade.

Elevator staff in the State of Oklahoma have to take a certified course and retested every 5 yrs.

[HITTGrapevine]

RE: SCIC coverage for unharvested crops. Does anyone want to share their comments / experiences with the ag media? I'll be writing a story on this for the Western Producer and would like to hear your thoughts or concerns.

[HITTGrapevine]

RE: SCIC coverage for unharvested crops. Does anyone want to share their comments / experiences with the ag media? I'll be writing a story on this for the Western Producer and would like to hear your thoughts or concerns.

I guess I'll take that as a NO