Surprise Alberta NDP

[mustardman]

Sask and Albeta are very similar on debt. We just have Brad who is a Better Storyteller. Lol

Albeta has 4 times the population and 4 times te debt

[grassfarmer]

Democracies only work when people are educated.


We are at the point where people will allow their civil liberties to be eroded in exchange for "free stuff" that others pay for.


The beginning of the end of modern society as we know it.


I must admit, grassfarmer, I find it funny... you moved from Alberta to MB and ended up under a conservative government again.... What are your views on Pallister? Seems like he's doing a good start of cleaning up a huge mess?

So are the people better educated in MB or in AB to have elected the respective Governments they did?
Can't say I've noticed any difference in Manitoba since the PC's won. Only thing that's really changed on the year from a Governmental point of view has been property tax increases on farmland of 50% in some cases. More a reflection of increased land prices than anything else.

Grass you and politics wow!

Your useless Notley is a one term Alberta mistake!

Me and politics wow what? Try reading my original post again, slowly this time and you will maybe be able to understand there was no political bias in it - it was an apolitical statement of fact.
I don't know why you think Notley is anything to do with me - never voted for the NDP, never been a party member. Read that slowly too and it might sink in.

Notley will win again. She will not cut the government staff. She did inherit a wreck though, the conservatives could not balance the budget at 100 dollar oil. Most people understand that. She has not done anything out of the ordinary yet in my view. The carbon tax was coming if she put in in or not. There probably will be a sales tax soon as oil patch in dire straights,....though they would pay minimal royalties even at 100 dollar oil. I think would rather have a sales tax then raising income taxes, but who knows.

Some fair comments I think nicolass. No idea if she will win again, long time in politics till 2019.

[Braveheart]

Grassfarmer, the huge increase in farm land taxes was a legacy of Greg Selinger. Selinger brought in the forced amalgamation failure, and hanged the Municipal Act to allow outrageous proportioning resulting in taxes from farmland financing urban paving and water projects in towns Selinger had an obvious secret desire to reduce any power rural ratepayers may have had and make them mere serfs to those elite inside the perimeter. Sounds a lot like soviet Russia used to be.

You say nothing has changed under Pallister. Well give him time. He inherited the largest financial mess of any province in Canada that had been run by the most unpopular Premier ever.

[Retired]

Klause Seeing as only educated people should vote you and sk3 had better get together and make sure you both vote for the same party as you two will be the only ones voting as you two knowit all. Other wise it will be a hung vote.

[burnt]

If you have 8 1/2 minutes to watch this clip, you will get a glimpse of where Ontario and Alberta are headed, Ontario being much farther down the path than Alberta with the liberals bringing in the basic guaranteed income - "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need..." The ability diminished and the needs increased - surprise!

Notley reminders me of "Ivy Starnes" from this clip -

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFhlqQ1dUUM"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFhlqQ1dUUM[/URL]

[stonepicker]

So are the people better educated in MB or in AB to have elected the respective Governments they did?
Can't say I've noticed any difference in Manitoba since the PC's won. Only thing that's really changed on the year from a Governmental point of view has been property tax increases on farmland of 50% in some cases. More a reflection of increased land prices than anything else.




Me and politics wow what? Try reading my original post again, slowly this time and you will maybe be able to understand there was no political bias in it - it was an apolitical statement of fact.
I don't know why you think Notley is anything to do with me - never voted for the NDP, never been a party member. Read that slowly too and it might sink in.





Some fair comments I think nicolass. No idea if she will win again, long time in politics till 2019.

Grassfarmer, are you that much of a fool and liar that you think the conservatives brought in this huge increase in rural land taxes. It was 100% NDP legislation. You stupid stupid fool ! Move back to alta. , We're trying to get rid of socialst fools here! Notely hired a bunch from mb. hopefully she hires more. FOOL!

[perfecho]

Well, Hammy...have to retort on some of your post...but do agree with some.

Think Notely's clamping down on the payday money loaners was badly needed...and welcomed.

Bill 6, agreed handled badly, but badly needed. Conversation today.....one of the loudest voices in this area against Bill 6 (and his 12 employees that weren't covered), however when his own son became injured on another outfit, his cries of no compensation were as loud. Farm claims in Alberta have doubled...so obviously there was/is a problem.

She stuck to her election promises...yes even in bad times, but the bad times had started before she got on board, so her electorate went in being forewarned. Much of her opposition could have been quenched if she did back off, however it is refreshing to see someone follow through.

Carbon....whether you believe in the cause or not, it is being spoken about and reviewed. Only the totally staunch "out there's' will not admit we are a wasteful society...and could do much more. We have a long ways down, before we can even begin to complain about our lifestyle...we...not just kids...have become much too much "entitled." We needed a dose of reality!

The corporations that have gotten away with not paying royalties and provincial tax are being looked at...now that their "friends" are not in charge.

Highly paid provincial executives are being looked into....

Yes, lots of mistakes, however, being thrown into one of the biggest turndowns in Alberta's history, we are actually doing not bad. Still more shat to hit the fan, and she is acknowledging this.
Yes, I do see lots of issues I don't agree with, but still cannot stand for corruption. It was the best choice at the time......

[stonepicker]

The 80's were a lot harder on alta. than this latest downturn, the deficit was trimmed back down then, will it be this time?

[grassfarmer]

Grassfarmer, are you that much of a fool and liar that you think the conservatives brought in this huge increase in rural land taxes. It was 100% NDP legislation. You stupid stupid fool ! Move back to alta. , We're trying to get rid of socialst fools here! Notely hired a bunch from mb. hopefully she hires more. FOOL!

Who is the fool? Nowhere did I indicate that the rise in property taxes was down to the new PC Government.

[foragefarmer]

Braveheart

"You say nothing has changed under Pallister. Well give him time. He inherited the largest financial mess of any province in Canada that had been run by the most unpopular Premier ever."


Just wondering, could you not substitute Notely's name in place of Pallister's and come to the same conclusion?


Stonepicker

I get that you don't agree with what Grassfarmer posted, but that doesn't make him stupid and a fool. Relax, and take a deep breathe, Agriville is only a farmer chat forum. Don't take it so serious.

[Braveheart]

Forage, I don't usually comment on the AB threads because I don't live there and I'm not exposed to AB day to day or provincial finances/politics. I do live in MB where I continue to feel the pain of a previous gov't that had to rob MB Hydro to help our sinking finances (overspendmuch NDP), where wrongly planned power transmission highlines will likely transmit more club root to farms than power to the US, and where our sales tax soared to a staggering height. Tax and Spend Greg should have been chased out of the province on one of the crappy highways he left us.

[Hamloc]

Perfecho

Now that our Prime Minister has introduced a national carbon tax, I believe there are two things our Premier should do. First wait until 2018 to introduce it, bring it in at 10$ a tonne as mandated and introduce off setting cut to personal and corporate taxes to make it as revenue neutral as possible. But she is not going to do that. Our Premier want to use it as an income transfer program with 60% of the lowest income Albertan's getting rebates and to create a slush fund to subsidize industry and make government bigger. So no I do not agree with our Premier's version of the carbon tax in any way. One other note when our biggest competitor and trading partner does not have a carbon tax we are just shooting ourselves in the foot.

One other thing, you comment we could afford to go down a ways yet or something to that affect. I find it revealing that those on the left seem to believe Albertan's have had it to good and need to be taken down a notch. How is creating a massive debt of 58 billion for my kids and grandkids in 4 years to have to pay off good policy. What the left doesn't understand is business will move if it can't make a dollar and our Premier's policies are not helping, our unemployment stats are just one example. On the plus side with less than 20% of Alberta voters on side in the latest poll hopefully her damage will be limited to one term.

[perfecho]

Can see your point on the carbon thing...although BC has a $30/ton and seems to be doing ok, hence the Canada wide carbon tax to equalize provinces. I know what you are saying about competing countries, and this is the real stickler...if you believe there is a carbon issue, do you wait until others are there, or do you set an example. If you don't believe, nothing will work. Unfortunately, it gets down to money, not principal...and if we have leaders with principal, it can set a standard....
And if you believe that setting standards is left thinking, then so be it. Came up through the oil industry...and experienced the wealth (then was smart enough to go farming..LOL). The carnage of this debt is because our wealth was mismanaged...and that is not the result of this government. The previous government set a distinct distribution of wealth, used up much of the savings and let business do as it pleased. Business will go where there is money to be made...they just got used to making too much, just as many employees did, hence the bawling of the weaned calf....it was time for a reckoning...and the depth of the reckoning has more to do with the previous gov.
I am not in favor of some of the current gov actions. and continue to search for who I think I can align with. However, think we got the government we needed for the time. If the WR had gotten in, think we would be a much higher unemployment and things would be grinding to a halt.
I do believe many are very short sighted when they look at how this problem took shape, but, I've been wrong before.....