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    Recreational carbon tax

    As a preface, this government should not be increasing any tax nor introducing a new tax. Period.
    The drama teacher never studied science or math, and is not capable of understanding them( He got elected cause he has nice hair). Some of his ministers certainly did and do-Garneau has a PhD in engineering. Goodale is a smart man, albeit ready to retire.
    That said, if we are in need of more tax revenue to give away overseas to accomplish??, and if it must be tied to the basis of life element carbon, there is a better way to do it than an across the board tax that raises the price of everything and will have no impact on consumption. In the abscence of conclusive evidence that carbon dioxide is even a problem-not long ago so called greenhouse gases (like nitrous oxide) were talked about in CO2 equivalents (300 times worse if I remember) but now it's just CO2; carbon now bad. A lot of assumption and so many that nothing can be proven.
    But if a carbon tax it must be...
    is there any more justified use of energy (fuel) than growing food? Is not the effect of increasing the cost of production/transport/processing food that more poor people starve? Other than minor tweaks and further scientific breakthroughs, it takes a lot of energy to feed people. Food production should be not be taxed.
    But what about recreational uses of fuel/energy? Car racing as an example-other than the consumption effect on the economy and the entertainment value, what 'good' does all the fuel burning do? Tailgating at a NASCAR race is fun I'm sure-would like to go-but its recreation. Many other examples-flying, snowmobiling, driving great big SUV's really fast to get to the artificial ice rink, on and on
    Personally like doing some of these things, but if it's a choice-and if we need a tax-then applying it on energy use points that are optional, might encourage conservation and innovation.
    There should be a distinction between essential and non essential use of energy. An ambulance has to drive fast to hopefully save a life. A triple axle enclosed does not have to be towed at 120 to get sledding at Revelstoke.

    Is there any point in us as farmers, farm organizations advancing an argument like this? A tax on everything hurts our competiveness, starves more poor people and does nothing for energy consumption really. A tax on discretionary energy use would hurt our first world rights but might curb some consumption and spur innovation.

    Please comment I don't mind being wrong.

    #2
    Bang on. Good post. You forgot a few other obvious points like A/C everywhere and recreational flights. How about burning more fuel to cut down on emissions ? Many other obvious ways to conserve but they do not generate tax revenue for govt to spend on their pet projects and charities.

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      #3
      NOTHING use more fuel per person than airline flights! I am NOT a fan, never fly, so tax the shit out of that POLLUTION! Perhaps the cause of climate change in upper atmosphere.
      Secondly trucking grain instead of rail is a NO BRAINER, 10 times the cost /bu/mile.
      All elevator closures should have had a massive road/enviromental tax....the old wooden would have been cheaper to fix. Then shorter trucking, more on rail and half the CO2 panic of today.

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        #4
        Agree Quad and Fjlip. JT couldn't tax rec vehicles or it would make Bombardier lose even more money which would mean u and I would still have to pay more to keep them a float. This dummy only cares about trying to one up whatever his old man did. Not sure what he did!

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          #5
          Don't shoot the messenger but I just read this farmer's quote on FB.

          "I don't think any farmer in Canada has the right to complain about the carbon tax. Farm fuel is exempt, and the government just added 15 million dollars to the GF 2 program. We are so over subsidized already. We have subsidized crop and drought insurance to cover the bad years, FCC just announced payment deferrals in our area because of the wet fall. And we have many other subsidies and bail outs. What do we have to complain about? We need to see our farms as businesses. We act like non-profit organizations expecting hand outs. Farms need to be businesses. Let's start treating them like businesses."

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            #6
            Disagree, no other business takes the WEATHER /market risks farmers do....and can not pass on costs!

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              #7
              Now this govt wants to encorage more frequent air travel, an industry with an already large carbon footprint. I guess its more important to promote friviolous air travel than reducing the co2 emmissions.

              [URL="https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/11/03/air-travel-to-become-cheaper-and-easier-canadas-transport-minister-says.html"]https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/11/03/air-travel-to-become-cheaper-and-easier-canadas-transport-minister-says.html[/URL]


              What a bunch of *** morons.

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                #8
                Think about how much extra fuel is burnt pulling RV's down the road. What percentage of air travel is necessary? Most is by choice not necessity. The government would piss to many people off if they went after recreation.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by wiseguy
                  Farming ain't a business ! Business is 9 to 5 !

                  # it's a passion, way of life, and a mental marathon !

                  # Farming 24/7/365 !

                  # I ain't paying no carbon tax !
                  F*ck Turdo and the Libtards!Click image for larger version

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                    #10
                    There is a base CO2 level the government agreed to return to. All CO2 up to that target has no business being taxed, so how is it going to be allocated?

                    What are we as individuals, or business sectors entitled to emit without being taxed?

                    Government needs to clarify for my support.

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