For grassfarmer ....dairy industry

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Forage and others


I won't dispute how hard dairy farmers work...it just seems there is inequality as to how they are protected compared to grain farmers or cattle guys...

Not saying they dont work, But they are basically guaranteed a profit and don't really have to worry about marketing or assume any risk that goes with marketing. They probably work as hard as anyone. All I meant with the Monkey comment was that it is very to make easy money farming with supply management vs. grain, cattle or hog farming.

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http://www.parrishandheimbecker.com/P&H%20Brochure%20100th%20Anniversary%20(2009)%20we b%20version.pdf

Appears P and H has extensive poultry operations. Not picking on P and H but there a lots of these massive investor owned poultry operations that aren't "lifestyle" farms so why would consumers subsidize them. Nothing against big farms, just saying supply mgmt has run its course time for a revamp

[foragefarmer]

Why does it bother so many on here to see other farmers making a good living, because as far as I see that's what it boils down to. What does it really matter other wise. The majority of them are hard working family farms. I don't hear urban consumers complaining about SM to costly, and besides do you think for one second that prices in the grocery stores are going to drop once imports come in. When grain prices went down did grocery prices drop, has beef prices drop since cattle prices have dropped. No to both. Worry about what your doing as a farmer not what SM farmers are doing and getting!

If the price of chicken, eggs and dairy are costing you to much, produce your own. Your grandparents and parents did it, nobody stopping you!

Besides you probably have neighbors in SM do you talk to them about your thought on SM face to face, or only here on Agriville?

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I don't suggest we pull the pin tomorrow with out compensation but a huge package for dairy because of potentially allowing up to 4% cheese imports wow brutal

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Basically I am saying why this huge payment to a sector full of multimillionaires who didn't even have a bad year? I think we all know the answer

[DaneG]

Then the dairy industry unloads their culls and byproducts into the non sm beef market l wonder how that is factored into the return on investment formula.

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....Not picking on P and H but there a lots of these massive investor owned poultry operations that aren't "lifestyle" farms so why would consumers subsidize them. Nothing against big farms, just saying supply mgmt has run its course time for a revamp

Not subsidized, their entire income comes from the marketplace. And lets not even claim chicken is too dear for the poor consumer. If it was any cheaper they'd be giving the stuff away.

I don't suggest we pull the pin tomorrow with out compensation but a huge package for dairy because of potentially allowing up to 4% cheese imports wow brutal

Not a huge package by any standards - @$20,000 per farm potentially and I'm assuming this is a one off, not a yearly payment.
The 4% is significant if you understand how imports can be used to manipulate market prices. Happened all the time in the UK with beef imports - only needed a very small amount of Brazilian product to destabilize the whole marketplace.

From Sylvain Charlebois the guy whose opinion piece I pasted a couple of weeks back - an "expert" in the field and a strong proponent of ending SM:
"CETA will allow thousands of kilograms of cheese to enter the Canadian market, exempt from tariffs.
This influx of products represents about 2 per cent of Canada’s milk production that will no longer be needed. This figure may not seem like much to the average person, but CETA does in fact create a significant breach in the quota system – a change that in turn will destabilize Canada’s entire agricultural system."
I'd be interested in hearing how he thinks it will destabilize the rest of Canadian agriculture - anybody else?

With Food Freedom Day being February 9th this year (the day by which the average Canadian has earned enough to pay for their whole year's food) what's your objective in getting rid of SM other than pure jealousy? move Food Freedom Day up to January 31st and have everyone in agriculture doing poorly?

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I was once a milk farmer when this quota thing evolved and the problem with SM is that the quota price should never have been blended into the cost of milk App 30 yr ago quota was around $10/ litre what is it now I dont know but some have made millionss and all from increasae in quota pricing.

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I was once a milk farmer when this quota thing evolved and the problem with SM is that the quota price should never have been blended into the cost of milk App 30 yr ago quota was around $10/ litre what is it now I dont know but some have made millionss and all from increasae in quota pricing.

Exactly,

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Grass, so the dairy farmer gets 20,000 and up from the gov for nothing already getting overpaid for their milk thats why quota is so valuable dairy farmers bidding excess profits towards quota... meanwhile the rest of the ag industry is about to get tru****ed by a carbon tax