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    #16
    Rates should go up, but can't go up.

    If the U.S. forces rates up purely on 'Make America Great Again' indebted infrastructure spending, this is a disaster in-the-making.

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      #17
      Yes its not about what you think in a perfect world should be it s a question of
      what is good for the situation we currently have.
      The only reason our economies haven't fallen flat and output of every good including agriculture
      products have not crashed is the interest rate.
      The solution is to get people out of debt first, but the rich are pissed because they want to make more on
      their money off people that cant afford it.
      Trumps moves will cause interest rates to rise and all the rich will benefit big time, the middle class will be clobbered.

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        #18
        The spiking USD is now an economic trainwreck in-the-making. Gold, crude oil, loonie, grains all down as a result today.

        U.S. exports/manufacturing now in crisis. Now raise interest rates to-boot . . . .

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          #19
          Why are our economies going to fall flat? Why can't an economy so rich in resources sustain itself as it did in the past? Because we have out- sourced our jobs, factories have shut, production has fallen, jobs have disappeared.

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            #20
            Don't matter how rich in resources you are: you need to have customers that can afford to buy them. After this disaster harvest, we will be buying as little as possible.

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              #21
              Originally posted by ajl View Post
              Don't matter how rich in resources you are: you need to have customers that can afford to buy them. After this disaster harvest, we will be buying as little as possible.
              totally agree . . . . and should tensions between the U.S. and China heat-up, trade will be the victim.

              Demand is king in the commodity world.

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                #22
                Without sound money you cannot have a sound economy simple as that. At some point in time the Piper will come like a thief in the night. After all sustained growth is impossible in a finite world.

                Another empty threat by the fed.
                Last edited by biglentil; Nov 14, 2016, 11:00.

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                  #23
                  It begins . . . China issues trade warning to Trump

                  http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/14/apple-iphones-could-be-hit-if-trump-imposes-a-45-percent-tariff-on-china-exports-beijing-warns.html

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                    #24
                    Trump will screw everybody Bigly. He does not have a clue what to do . He once said he would renegotiate the debt, in other words go bankrupt , just as he has done 3 times.

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                      #25
                      What are those lyrics, the end of the world as we know it.

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                        #26
                        Definition of a 'rock 'n a hard spot'.

                        Renegotiated debt = depression
                        Uncontrolled govt spending = depression.

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                          #27
                          Is there a way to avoid a hangover after a low interest rate fiat money party? Going cold turkey will kill the patient(economy), more heroin(stimulus) will cause an overdose(collapse the dollar). These will be known as the good ole days folks enjoy em.

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                            #28
                            Errol you should add --Return to "normal" interest rates = depression

                            Its very apparent that the interest rate spike in '81 isn't a memory for many on this board.

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                              #29
                              How did Germany get out of the printed money debacle? Trump could go there. He likes war.

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                                #30
                                Wasn't Germany out of the hyper inflation well before the war?
                                Haven't we all heard that countries OWE each other and the debt is largely bookkeeping?
                                IF not who the f*ck does everybody owe to? Like to know that trillionaire!
                                "They" only want the interest, never want to be repaid.

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