Our Pm has a plan and its a Bad Bad Plan!

[greybeard]

These are the places that need the carbon tax.
Take a close look at the left coast.
Compare it to light emitted in your local.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=world night map&tbm=isch&imgil=o6sBlhky9YpPhM%253A%253BrZaFv5z NMsKH

I hope we get great satisfaction pumping that DEF into that equipment when not another person is in sight.
Liberal logic.
Alta-boy Justin.
Line up for your boy scout badge!

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[grassfarmer]

Everybody thinks the others guys land is marginal land and should be taken out of production.

When it's an H on the A-J scale I think that would be considered by most to be marginal.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

http://https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11655-climate-myths-higher-co2-levels-will-boost-plant-growth-and-food-production/[/URL]

The article definitely does acknowledge the yeild and drought tolerance benefits to plants with increased CO2. Not sure how this refutes my statement?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

When it's an H on the A-J scale I think that would be considered by most to be marginal.

Funny thing about marginal land, all of the best land was the first broke, by my time all that was left unbroke was what had been considered the poorest ground. But because previous generations had ****d and pillaged the good ground so long, while the cattle fertilized the marginal ground and nature looked after it, the opposite is now true. Now, I break the marginal ground and it is by far the best. And I intend look after it to keep it that way too. Some just takes a little more work due to other limitations.

[15444]

Was someone told that Ag would be exempt from the carbon tax? Because the Ontario Liberals are fighting hard to have any exemptions at all stripped from Ag in this province - starting with off road fuel. And you know how cozy Drama Boy and the Dyke are with each other. If he is like his prick of an old man, he'll make Ag pay big-time.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Was someone told that Ag would be exempt from the carbon tax? Because the Ontario Liberals are fighting hard to have any exemptions at all stripped from Ag in this province - starting with off road fuel. And you know how cozy Drama Boy and the Dyke are with each other. If he is like his prick of an old man, he'll make Ag pay big-time.

If the purpose is to transfer wealth from west to east, then it is safe to say Ag would not be exempt.

[foragefarmer]

AF5

'Now, I break the marginal ground and it is by far the best. And I intend look after it to keep it that way too. Some just takes a little more work due to other limitations. "


Was the land previously broken by past generations classified as margin land to being with? Land that has been assigned a certain soil classification, and if it's classification is marginal, can not improve it's classification by simply being broken and taken care of. Is the land you speak of irrigated?

[grassfarmer]

The article definitely does acknowledge the yeild and drought tolerance benefits to plants with increased CO2. Not sure how this refutes my statement?

And it also acknowledged that there was a downside - larger than the upside. Here for example:

"The regional climate changes that higher CO2 will bring, and their effect on these limiting factors on plant growth, such as water, also have to be taken into account. These indirect effects are likely to have a much larger impact than CO2 fertilisation."

Now, I break the marginal ground and it is by far the best. And I intend look after it to keep it that way too.

I think you will be depleting it more slowly but just as surely as your forbearers did the better land - if you are using conventional modern grain farming methods. The sprays and chemical fertilizer kill the soil micro-biology. Even with zero-till farmers are about holding their ground with OM levels not building them to pre farming levels.

If the purpose is to transfer wealth from west to east, then it is safe to say Ag would not be exempt.

Yeah, but that isn't the purpose. No-one is talking a federal carbon tax regime it's going to be provincial and it will be revenue neutral meaning there will be no money leaving the provinces. So it's just a fear mongering myth that it's a tax on the "west" by the "east".

[blackpowder]

Well grass your holistic land management is to be commended as it is the future.
But if Canadas' forests and crops sequester more carbon than its pop emits. Why then at 36m people try to "lead the way" when China, India etc and for now the US are more concerned with what pays the bills?
Pollution and waste are never right. But this is wrong.

[tweety]

It's a punitive tax, like a tobacco tax - a tax imposed to discourage a behaviour.

So what you are saying is it should only be on recreational carbon emissions?

Am i supposed to put ferry dust in my combine fuel tank? Have it run on for free on its more powerful left wing to push it along? Hopes and dreams? How exactly will it discourage "fuel consumption behavior" in agriculture?

[grassfarmer]

So what you are saying is it should only be on recreational carbon emissions?

Am i supposed to put ferry dust in my combine fuel tank? Have it run on for free on its more powerful left wing to push it along? Hopes and dreams? How exactly will it discourage "fuel consumption behavior" in agriculture?

No, it should be on all emissions. By default the frivolous and wasteful uses would be curbed first (recreational / excessive vehicle idling etc) more necessary uses would be reduced to a lesser extent. You still need to run the combine but maybe not over that poorer quarter that would be better seeded to grass. On our own operation we try to have our cattle harvest their own feed as long as possible and usually mechanically feed for 100 days versus the 200 our neighbours do. I still see huge wastage of fuel here - maybe it's the contrast to Europe where fuel is twice the price.

[katoe]

If all of this is pure bullshit i hope none of you are selling your carbon credits.I hope you walk the walk.