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    Our Pm has a plan and its a Bad Bad Plan!

    Canada’s commitment to reduce greenhouse gas emissions is as much about principle as practicality. Although Canadian emissions represent just 1.6% of the global total, we remain among the world’s top 10 emitters and have a particularly high rate on a per capita basis. There is also a moral argument that people who consume the world’s resources should pay their fair share, and do their best to mitigate any damage they produce.


    While a compelling argument, it runs into trouble when measured on effectiveness. If one community works to clean up a river, while several much larger communities continue to overwhelm its efforts by dumping in raw sewage a few metres away, does the struggle still make sense? Especially if it entails a substantial economic cost on the well-meaning community?

    Canada now faces this dilemma, as President-elect Donald Trump is on record as claiming climate change is a “hoax” and has pledged to scupper steps taken by the outgoing Obama administration to reduce U.S. emissions.
    The effectiveness of anti-emissions efforts was open to question even before Trump’s election. China, the world’s biggest emitter, has continued to build new coal-fired power plants at an astonishing rate. According to the New York Times, last year alone 155 new plants were approved. India, the world’s third-biggest emitter, has likewise continued to increase its use of coal. Last year New Delhi indicated nearly 600 new coal plants were planned, according to reports.

    There have been indications both countries would curb those schedules, though mainly due to overcapacity rather than concern about environmental impact. Both are dealing with economic issues that have reduced their immediate needs. But the problems are considered short-term, and a revival would quickly give both countries reason to fire up their coal plants again.

    Add the United States to this list, and Canada’s efforts look increasingly fanciful. One estimate indicated Trump’s proposals would increase U.S. emissions 16% within eight years, far outpacing any reductions Canada could hope to make.
    That argument becomes much more potent in light of the Trump agenda. “It makes no sense for our federal government to push ahead with imposing a national carbon tax, when our biggest trading partner – and our biggest competitor for investment and jobs – is not going to have one,” said Saskatchewan premier Brad Wall.

    His point is sound. Finance Minister Bill Morneau maintains U.S. plans are “speculative” and won’t respond substantively to queries on Ottawa’s response. But sticking its fingers in its ears is unlikely to get the government very far. Everything about Trump is “speculative” at this point; that does not free Trudeau of the responsibility to prepare the country to deal with the consequences.

    Pressing ahead with a costly program that is likely to have negligible impact while undermining Canadian competitiveness and endangering jobs is not a responsible or sensible way to act. Ottawa is going to have to accept that life has changed since last Tuesday’s election, and it has no choice but to recognize that reality.

    So in a Nut shell lets see add a huge cost to every single thing we produce and sell in canada and then try to compete against countries who are not introducing a wealth distribution tax or are saying enough of this bull shit lets get back to making money and quit trying to please the Bull shit artists like David Kawasaki and Leo the Actor and others.

    Our boy is going to go down as the worst Pm in history, I said it over a year ago and wow Im sad that prediction is going to come true.

    Whats wrong with Jobs and Oil and wealth. Hm ask a Liberal who like No jobs get a check from Gov and Study.

    #2
    I find it so funny that he keeps scoring over 50% popularity in Canada.

    Or is the Media bias and people not really telling how they feel.

    Lets see increase average cost to average family by $500 starting a year to $2500 by the time he is done.

    Yea Im all for it.

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      #3
      If it's on a per capita basis .....there is an easier solution....young people need to have more than 2 kids.

      Canada ....in my opinion is one of the cleanest nations on earth considering we need to heat our homes for 8 months of the year and the fact we are an exporting nation.

      Think about it....it takes more energy to produce the raw exports than the refining we let everyone else do.


      If we became a nation of exporting finished product....more jobs ....more people.... less per capita pollution. ...


      And it's a well known fact that you could flip the switch and turn Canada off ....it would NOT make a difference to the planet.....not even .000001 percent difference.

      Do I believe in doing things cleaner.....sure .....if it makes economic sense.

      Brad wall spent 1.2 billion on the coal power carbon sequester project....it will never make money. He could have bought the carbon credits from trudeau at 10 bucks a tonne and been money ahead while looking for a better solution.

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        #4
        See the buying of credits to pollute I find funny. David kawasaki just adds it to his speaking costs. Wow he is doing so much.

        But the Carbon capture technology If it gets perfected is a great start. The shingles that are solar panels probably if they work would be awesome. So some things look good.

        But taxing a population when we don't pollute and have vast miles of Carbon sinks I think is wrong.

        Tax Tax tax and then send over 550 people on a free trip again to the wealth distribution conference.

        Boy selfie its time to grow up.

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          #5
          The US has State by state legislation in regards to carbon pricing. No different than before Drumpf was elected..

          Our little premier does a lot of spin doctoring..... carbon tax is the Free market telling you to find a more efficient way of doing things or pay a tax, the Money Should then be used to fund Greener solutions
          AG fuel should be excerpt
          Is this going to cost us some money ,yes but what is long term costs of Status Quo

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            #6
            Lets see Canada warms up thats good for us.

            Ok thats a joke! but reality is we live in one of the coldest places on the planet for half the year.

            We need heat homes to survive in most of Canada.

            Countries are dropping your BS Carbon tax

            Australia.

            France.

            Its about boy wonder and getting a nice job after his time as Pm with a cushy job with Leo and the other climate scare team.

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              #7
              BC has had a carbon price for several years and their economy is strong.

              Why not take a look at what Conservative Leadership Candidate Michael Chong is proposing with his carbon tax idea. Cuts to income tax and corporate taxes.

              I know that if you don't think global warming is an issue there will never be a good time to tax carbon emissions. There is a good chance in 4 years Trump will be gone and Trudeau will still be around.

              The cost of doing nothing will be far greater. Sea level rise will cost in the trillions because many of the largest cities in the world will be underwater. Who is going to pay for that?

              Remember Agriville is mostly a small number of farmers who don't represent the mainstream of agriculture. Conservative Manitoba is not against carbon pricing.

              Agriculture will be directly exempt.

              One of the banks estimated $6 per acre in additional costs which equals one application of Roundup! If that is a deal breaker then most of you are in financial trouble already.

              Energy prices already go up and down with or without a carbon tax. When the price of fuel was high did the world end?

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                #8
                Ok Ill bite Chucky boy what do I get for my $6.00 a acre thats $60,000.00 so do I drop a employee as AG is such a money maker when the prices are dropping my costs are sky rocketing and USA RUSSIA AUSTRALIA AND SA Don't have this Bull shit plan.

                Yea trump will probably be just one term as he will be in his 80s when he is done.

                Boy wonder is a one hit pony that the population will find out is just a Actor.

                So reality why kill a country when every one else is dropping the bullshit and getting on with life.

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                  #9
                  Chuck2, the only government in Canada that gives tax breaks in relation to the carbon tax is BC. Alberta's carbon tax is set up as an income redistribution plan and to create a slush fund to subsidize solar panels and windmills.

                  As a grain farmer I compete with farmers all around the world. The 6 dollar an acre increase you so glibly say amounts to nothing is another cost that makes me less competitive. I'm my case it amounts to 11000 dollars. Let's say in a good year I net 100000 dollars, that 11000 amounts to over a 10% pay cut. Chuck2 if I told you you were getting a 10% pay cut how would you feel, is that significant?

                  One other thought, deficit spending by government today is a tax increase or program cut tomorrow, I can't believe Canadians are blind to this reality!

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                    #10
                    SF3, we'll never get through to these lefties. No use banging our heads against a brick wall. They aren't farmers, they are plants who are blinded by the snake charmers. Its fine as long as they aren't wasting my money - oh crap I think they are!

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                      #11
                      I sure hope ranchers don't pay 6 bucks an acre it would cost me around 20 grand, trust me there just isn't 20 left over, two years of good prices out of 15 just dont cut it. I would be making more at mcdonalds.

                      # beating my head against the wall

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                        #12
                        Trudeau is popular because most income in Canuckistan is transferred income, not earned. Even on most farms including this one there are subsidies. BC's carbon tax works because it is able to transfer wealth into BC from beyond its borders. For example the tax paid on grain shipments that through BC to the coast. It never had anything to do with the environment. (Yes it was advertised as being about the environment but that only fooled the stupid) The only thing that will be under water at the end of Trudeau's term in office will be government pension plans. If it is not cold enough where you are move north. I for one am enjoying this break from winter and there is finally harvesting going on here.

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                          #13
                          Chucky, How does paying a carbon tax reduce carbon emissions?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by tweety View Post
                            Chucky, How does paying a carbon tax reduce carbon emissions?
                            It's a punitive tax, like a tobacco tax - a tax imposed to discourage a behaviour.

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                              #15
                              You mean like keeping yourself warm over the winter, gasfarmer.

                              How many of your polluting cattle are you going to give up? You're correct. You do need a punitive tax imposed on you to discourage having an income.

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