Interesting article - water and climate change

[furrowtickler]

I think we need to take a breath here ...
Remember this is a scam , the truth will reveal its self in time .
None of us should have to pay this b/s tax , grain or cattle farm. We need to stop throwing knives either way.
A lot of people need to realize "global warming" was created as the bogey man to further push globalization by the U.N. It has been conveniently now changed to "climate change" to encompass a wider range events to fit their agenda . Google "agenda 21"
They are not even hiding this fact now .
Just look at Obama's speech just a day or so ago . He mentioned Globalization at least a dozen times . He has gone full retard on this .
Trump is going to hit the brakes on this globalist leftist agenda endorsed by the U.N. and the MSM. And now the leftist elite are screaming blue murder . They will try to throw Trump under the bus anyway possible now.
Meanwhile at home it is JT's ambition to be on the U.N. - think about what his end goal is, then rethink carbon tax .

[canolacrazy]

amen to that furrow. trump through a monkey wrench into the left's plans to have Hillary further the globablization agenda. a world without borders. now let's sit back and watch trump undo everything they've worked so hard for.

[sumdumguy]

I too am sick and tired of this climate change talk. Reading about the beating Canadians are taking at Marakesh absolutely confounds me. We sequester multiples of and carbon we produce. Tell them to "Piss Off"! Tell them to go and pick some other county's pocket, maybe try Russia😜

[Klause]

Actually grassy, I love beef. I respect our cattle producers. I think they are a vital part of the economy and of our supper


However, 90% of cattle producers don't harp on climate change continually... like you do... which is hypocritical really considering you're a net emitter of greenhouse gases.



Climate change... carbon tax... it's all a complete fraud.


BTW, the reason I mention pulses... they don't use much if any fertilizer (since they produce their own)... and they export 0 water, unlike any meat... at the end of the day, most consumption happens in cities where quite often waste water is sent to the ocean... thus exporting freshwater and turning it into saltwater.


Just ask our unlucky colleagues who farm in the interior of California about that.

[grassfarmer]

Bullshit grass when you pull water from a well it does not return to the well it evaporates. When your cow urinates it evaporates.

I can't believe that people involved in agriculture don't know what the water cycle is. Of course some evaporates - then it condenses and falls back as rain or snow. Other water soaks in and recharges the groundwater the well draws from. Here is a little graphic to help you understand.

Also grass saying that cows sequester c02 is laughable what the hell do you think they exhale?

The point is they need not be net emitters of CO2 as proven by this work in SK. Point #5 showing 17-39kgs of CO2 sequestered for every kg emitted by the cattle.


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[Klause]

Grassy my wife wrote her thesis on methane and co2 emissions from livestock...


Cattle emit more co2 they don't themselves "sink" any.


Where cattle shine is 2 places. 1 taking poor land that can't efficiently produce other proteins and make them produce nourishment (grasslands... semi arid areas etc.)


The 2nd is taking low value carbohydrates (barley grass corn etc) and turning them into dense high value proteins.


However this happens at a cost.


Of all three main types of meat protein chicken is the most efficient followed by pork and then beef... based on her research.



As far as the water cycle. Yes you're right. However deep ancient aquafirs do not replenish like you are suggesting. Also once water evaporates it is at the mercy of jets teams and other weather phenomenon which means there's a very low chance of it ever getting back to where it is needed or came from. Point in case why it's called exporting freshwater.

[blackpowder]

Insects also are very efficient feed converters.
Cricket farms convert grain to protein cheap?

Let the buffalo roam the poor land I guess.

[grassfarmer]

Grassy my wife wrote her thesis on methane and co2 emissions from livestock...

Cattle emit more co2 they don't themselves "sink" any.

But as a tool properly used to manage the land they can have a remarkable effect increasing sequestration of CO2. Something else that is included in the research implying "cattle are bad for the planet" are the emissions naturally produced by decaying forage on grasslands/rangelands - yet this is blamed on the cow whether there is one grazing the land or not. So if you decide cows are bad, get rid of them all, you are still left with these emissions. You'll also have emissions from wild ungulates whose population would explode in most areas of grazing land/bush if you remove the cows. Would you get rid of all the wildlife too?
It's a very complex issue and one where the decisions have to be carefully weighed based on a large number of intricacies.

[biglentil]

Lol give it up already Grassy. No one believes that your magic cows sequester carbon dioxide. Wildlife are not fed and watered in a feedlot all winter long.

[grassfarmer]

Lol give it up already Grassy. No one believes that your magic cows sequester carbon dioxide. Wildlife are not fed and watered in a feedlot all winter long.

Lol, you're the one who should give up while you're behind. So now it's feeding and watering in a feedlot that causes the cattle emissions? I'll be fine then - mine are never in the corrals apart from sorting them. So what do the wildlife exhale?

[biglentil]

Look at the chart grassy 1kg of beef production contributes 27kg of C02. Its not just feedlots its every human activity thats involved in raising domesticated livestock that contributes to the C02 levels. From pounding fence posts and hanging wire, pumping water, bailing and hauling feed, corral panels you use to sort, and lets not even get into the packing and storage..... My lentils do not consume energy and exhale C02 all year long just to move around and stay warm. Wildlife does not sequester nor contribute its zero sum.

You are a big offender no way around it.

[Hamloc]

Due to all of our forests and our large land base in Canada we are a net sequester of C02, something we are not credited for. We should be selling carbon credits to they world instead of paying a carbon tax. Unfortunately Grassfarmer you come across as an arrogant left leaning elitist, I fully appreciate that you do a very good job of managing your grass based beef system. You seem to feel those of us that object to a carbon tax are uneducated misinformed buffoons. Trudeau openly admits he has done no economic analysis, he just says it has to be done. I also do not believe I could cut 80% of my GHG emissions from my cow herd without drastic herd reduction, Grassfarmer if you prefer to pretend you can all the more power to you.