KAP and Carbon tax

[Oliver88]

Stupid idea KAP the biggest cost to farmers is going to be on fertilizer so if fertilizer isn't exempt could be 10-20 bucks an acre across the farm cost. So basically a farmer organization is supporting a $10-20/ac tax on its members?

Big mistake and very naive of them if true.

They should be speaking out against the carbon tax and use every opportunity to oppose this ridiculous tax which will make Canadian producers uncompetitive with our American neighbours.
This carbon tax will be eliminated if there is a change in the federal government so farm groups should be lobbying all federal parties with their opposition.

[grassfarmer]

Reread that thread and you got a semi load of counter points from posters. I believe them NOT you.

Yeah, but did you read the article though? it was by someone that studies weather not just a bunch of farmers exchanging opposing views.

[foragefarmer]

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You'd better hope there is a reputable college in your district or state, as here is what it would cost in USA dollars x 1.35 to Canadian.

Type of College Average Published Yearly Tuition and Fees
Public Two-Year College (in-district students) $3,440
Public Four-Year College (in-state students) $9,410
Public Four-Year College (out-of-state students) $23,890
Private Four-Year College $32,410


Just to let you know I put my daughter through University where she got her degree and the tuition was appox $17000.00 for four years, she did have a few scholarships to reduce the total that I had to pay.

I'm sure you, your family,or somebody that is important to you has benefited immensely from the current Canadian health system that would have other wise been a small fortune if you had the same procedure in the USA. I wouldn't be so eager if I were you to move over to the USA without considering everything you've already gotten here in Canada.

[GDR]

I don't really know what is right on climate change. I do think we are wrecking the planet, more on the waste side and pollution. Like most here think the co2 is a bunch of bs. We definitely have had warmer winters recently which is great but have also had some wicked summer weather that isn't so great. The thing I find interesting is when you look at the record highs or lows for any given day most of the time they are in the first half of the century on both extremes.

Remember a story from an old neighbor that they plowed the farm where I grew up with horses in February. Couldn't have done that in my lifetime.

Find it funny that the sea level rising is gonna flood out parts of the world. Gotta wonder why those places built dikes to hold the water out and decided it was safe to build behind them. Just a dumb farmer here but I can figure that one out.

Bottom line, we likely gotta do something but carbon tax is crap.

[farmaholic]

The threat of rising sea levels.... could there be that much ice on the polar caps and mountain ranges that if it were to melt, (and in the process take up less space because water expands when it freezes) that sea levels would rise? Is there that much ice on the polar caps that the earth is egg-shaped rather than a more uniform shperical shape? 70(ish) percent of the earth's surface is already covered in water....thats a lot of area and you spread out the melted polar ice over that area...would it actually be significantly noticeable? How much would levels rise because of the earth's water expanding because it warmed a few degrees?

I agree earth's equilibrium is a fine balancing act....cook it or freeze it(obviously two extremes used only for writing purposes but you get the picture) and it will undergo changes, subtle or drastic? I don't know.....

I am not a self proclaimed _________ and have all the answers. In fact I would have more questions than answers but is anybody actually qualified to answer them. Does anyone actually know what's happening or is it all theoretical rhetoric? Time will reveal the answer.

[helmsdale]

I recall GF posting in another thread that water essentially spins in cycles. In his reply to biglentil he wished to point out that water which is drawn from below ground and pushed through cows, even though a large portion of it may evaporate soon after leaving a cows bladder, it condenses and falls back to earth, and along with other water, recharges the well that is being drawn from. We should all know this most basic of cycles! It is SIMPLE!

Lets throw another cycle out there, since we're trying to talk in terms that are dead simple to understand... The Carbon Cycle. If any of us looked hard enough we could even come up with a cute little graphic?

Carbon can neither be created nor destroyed. It is only transformed. Coal, Oil, and Natural Gas once existed in the living world as plants and animals. That carbon over billions of years was sequestered never to be seen again. It would seem that this magical world survived from then until now, even with a few warm and cold spells in between. We, are indeed living proof that organic life was able to live through such a time. Who are we to say what level of carbon in this world is the "appropriate" amount of carbon? Just because it was a certain way prior to 2000, or 1950, or 1900, or even 1850 or 1800? Hell why dont we pick the year 0? or 2000BCE? Thats a little over 4000 years where we could pick an "acceptable", or "appropriate" level. But why stop at 4000 years? Whats wrong with the Jurrasic period?

Short story long, carbon is simply cycling.

Ah hell, Tax me some more. Preach to me about how I'm a sinner. Show me how my choices are terrible, and will bring about eternal damnation for not only myself, but all of mankind! Show me the way! Good, gracious, forgiving followers of the path, SHOW ME THE LIGHT!

[bucket]

Prior to man coming to Canada wtf do most think happened here.....lighting strike hit a forest or the prairies and burned until what .....the deer or dinosaurs pissed on it?


Fires stopped by putting themselves out.....the carbon footprint of those episodes?

I agree this carbon thing is a hoax...good gig for AL Gore and nutties like him and his cult like followers.

[sumdumguy]

Yep Helmsdale, if our politicians had half a brain, they would tell the scammers to buggar off, oh but there's money and free trips in it for them.

[Lex]

Over millions of years rhe planet has spent way more time in cold phases than in warm phases like we are now. Another cold phase us inevitable. We should prepare for that as a planet. Many will perish during the next ice age.

[biglentil]

Im very aware of the water cycle.
Grassfarmer said "if you pump water from your well and let it run out through the garden hose onto the lawn you are not wasting water. You are removing it from the ground and returning it to the ground - the only thing you are wasting is the power used to pump it."

Places like California and other irrigation districts are in big trouble from this type of thinking it Not That Simple.

[bucket]

Tell me why Canada doesn't create more dams on rivers.


Between lake diefenbaker and the mountains there should be 2 more reservoirs...as an example.

Flow returns to normal once the carrying capacity is full.

[chuckChuck]

To be a climate change denier you have to either be anti-science or not very bright. Most of your anti climate change theories don't stand up to intelligent scrutiny.

A little hind sight will tell you many weather records have been broken in the last few decades in your own backyard.

The arctic is changing rapidly. The perma frost in the Tundra has a carbon and methane bomb waiting to be released as the arctic rapidly warms. Once that bomb goes off it will likely cause rapid uncontrollable warming.

Weather patterns on the prairies have changed. Its called climate change!

[biglentil]

Most are not denying climate change Chucky however many of us are skeptical that its C02 causing climate change.

[Greenlane]

Wow. I wonder what some of your great great grandathers thot when Columbus was sailing. He was going go off the edge of the earth and never b seen again. They have been keeping temp recordings for how long mayb 200 years. What is that to the age of the earth absolutely nothing

[seabass]

Bucket. Bunch of us hillbillys were talking about the same thing. Why dont they dam the Sask river to barge some of our products out to Churchill ? Has to be cheaper in the long run. Wouldnt be held ransom by CN and CP. Maybe theres no places good enuf to dam it up, dont know but would work for 8 months of the year.