Boy blunder now going to kill coal!

[greybeard]

Was given all kinds of reasons not to worry about it from a panel of experts on the CTV.
Might give us a head start on the new technologies.
Lots of new jobs.
Guess where? Not rural western Canada for sure.
Possibly China?
Green wind and solar are getting cheaper.
If we keep the tariffs on the Chinese panels to protect the tiny Ontario industry are we going to get cheaper?

Canada is seen an one of the most desirable countries in the world to emigrate to because our wealth of natural resources creates a strong economy with opportunity for everyone.

To hell with all that, lets go high tech. Get some real respect on those world travels.

Scary stuff.

By next summer I bet Trump could win here.

[TASFarms]

That's the first I've of China cutting coal. They are always buying lots of North American coal. Just watched Toronto ctv news talking about how screwed Ontario is with there hydro. Crazy how they got that bad.

[westernvicki]

Recent statistics indicate a large % of the heating and electric generation in China is coal, recent statistics were as high as 65% As for shutting down plants this became essential as many did not employ even basic clean coal technology, employed by Sask. Power.

Could someone tell us, what is base load when coal is gone: nuclear, hydro, gas? Renewable energy is a substitute, but will never be base load, especially in Canada.

[Hamloc]

Grassfarmer, if I read your post correctly, it says China has reduced it's growth rate in the use of coal. Which means the use of coal is still growing. But what really matters is that Gerald Butts first brought this policy to Ontario. The price of electricity has risen 80% in Ontario in ten years and the deficit has doubled from 150 billion to just over 300 billion since 2003. Gerald Butts now wants the rest of Canada to suffer the same fate. Why would anybody expect a different result?

[sawfly1]

i do not think ontario is screwed with their hydro power . if that is what you meant.
because manitoba , which is pretty much all hydro , has the cheapest power in the country.
look at the provincial costs. man. 1000 kw 84 $/ month

sask.is only 15$ a month lower than Ontario ( the highest) at 145 $ vs 160$ for Ontario per 1000 kw / month. most other provinces are just below sask. . except bc which is fairly reasonable

if we are burning cheap coal here and our costs are that high .
we are in trouble either way.
with nat gas as cheap as it is now i really can not see a reason for the 5% rate hike they got.

sorry guys but science has served us pretty well so far.
deny it if you like, and a warmer wetter climate has been more of a blessing than a curse.
at least here. i know too wet is bad too

that may not be what other parts of the world get. flooding if the poles melt,
drought heat in India, stuff like that.

i do not like what they are saying either, because it will cost us money.
a lot of folks around the globe believe a whole lot of religious crap with out one shred of evidence .

yet the same people want to ignore , science (hopefully that is what it is)
of global warming .

i guess it don't matter after we are dead. anyway
party on , dude at least as long as we are around,

maybe i am totally nuts, but would it be so bad to give some credence to the science.
and hedge our bets.

we do not know .period . put it this way . would you rather have Sarah Palin in control of the planet or
Steven Hawking

[malleefarmer]

same drama in australia clean green renewable most expensive electricity in the worl apparantly only denmark tops us. Wind turbines everywere.

i to wonder were the chinese figures come from?

http://www.afr.com/news/wind-power-drop-played-key-role-in-south-australia-blackout-20161005-grvbqf

weve gone from cheapest in australia to most expensive in 15 yrs all our mines are shut

[malleefarmer]

also some experts suggest we have the most uranium on the planet in outback south australia again we cant mine it

[blueversi]

Greenies won't be happy until we are living like our forefathers did, fire up the generator for a few hours a night for light or better yet use candle light to do some reading. Likely that still wouldn't be good enough, they'd sooner have us live in tents and burn Buffalo chips for heat, if we are even allowed that. Canada won't need an ice age to wipe the country out we will freeze to death before that.

[checking]

Good second page observation, tweety.

Does anyone own a water cannon? It seems to work on pipeline deniers on a cool November day.

I was wondering if it would work on climate change promoters who seem to move their operations around frequently, and are always planning their next move.

[oneoff]

Its only a suspicion (or gut feeling); but those past swings to long ice ages; and then global melting and sea level rises can happen multiple times over only 100,000 years or so.

Could that variability be just a teaser fto lead Justin et al to be making the wrong moves that might combine with Mother Nature to cause complaints about it now "being too cold"